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Old 02-15-2013, 05:25 PM   #1
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Default Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

First of all: congratulations for Alund. He climbed to TOP 100 after many years of playing challenger tour events. This week he's made it to the SF in Sao Paulo as a lucky loser, having defeated Mello (first ATP win), Chardy and Volandri en route.

Despite the obvious difference in skills between the Argentines from the title (Monaco & Alund) I think their achievement of career-high are comparable. They both reached it in their late 20s, grind from the baseline a lot without a clear weapon, and mostly play on clay (especially Alund, who is useless on other surfaces). What do you think?
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:19 PM   #2
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

More like greater overachiever, and that's Monaco by a mile IMO. Like you said, Alund is nothing special and doesn't have much weapons but players like him have entered and left the top 100 many times through the years

of course there have also been 'questionable' top 10 players in the past, too, definitely, but watching Monaco play and realizing the guy was top 10 is just mind blowing.
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

I think the greatest achievement is Monaco in the top 100, he is a weaponless mug who is just lucky
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:48 PM   #4
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

monaco really had pieces of spirited game last season, on both clay and hard

imo he deserved this top 10 for a while last year, but not for a longer than that...

also it's not fair to compare them and say "both have no weapon" well, pico can hit twice stronger and he's accurate at placement (when he's peaking, not now i mean... peaking alund can't provide that ofc)

i think monaco's top 10 is by far bigger achievement. guys like alund, you have dozens of them on the challenger tour; they typically sooner or later get to the top 100 (prodon, dutra silva, ungur etc. - i do like peak ungur and prodon game though!) some of them aren't this lucky (dunno... de schepper hasnt been top 100 yet for instance), and this is pretty good summary of their careers. they have enough to give a good show to people who attend challengers

a guy like alund surely had to struggle through shitloads of financial problems, he was gradually gaining experience and confidence, that's why his breakthrough happened this late, but it's typical for these guys... they get rewarded after 10-12 yrs of hard, very hard life at the low level events
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

I would have to go for Monaco even though both overachieved.
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

Monaco breaking the top 10 is one of the worst things to ever happen in sport, let alone tennis.
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Monaco breaking the top 10 is one of the worst things to ever happen in sport, let alone tennis.
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

Alund getting into the TOP 100 is much more surprising, no point of comparison. His average ranking is probably something like 400. He came out of nowhere.

Monaco may not be very liked on MTF, but he was actually 14 in the world some years ago (2007) untill his nightmare of injuries started and his level dropped drastically for some time. In 2011 he started coming back, and although he is probably one of the weakest top 10 in decades it was something that you could have imagined. He was on his way to it back in 2007.
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

Yep Pico isn't bad and his sked lined up in a way he got a lot of points in a certain way, and he was able to keep playing not get hurt or have a bad spell of early round losses or whatever.

He is good, but not great.. Alund on the other hand is ok but mentally fragile and below average.. yet he is top 100 and now in an ATP semi.. much more of an accomplishment.

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Alund getting into the TOP 100 is much more surprising, no point of comparison. His average ranking is probably something like 400. He came out of nowhere.

Monaco may not be very liked on MTF, but he was actually 14 in the world some years ago (2007) untill his nightmare of injuries started and his level dropped drastically for some time. In 2011 he started coming back, and although he is probably one of the weakest top 10 in decades it was something that you could have imagined. He was on his way to it back in 2007.
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Monaco breaking the top 10 is one of the best things to ever happen in sport, let alone tennis.

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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

Monaco top 10 greatly diminishes the prestige that used to be associated with being top 10. Maybe the worst T10 player of all time.
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also it's not fair to compare them and say "both have no weapon" well, pico can hit twice stronger and he's accurate at placement (when he's peaking, not now i mean... peaking alund can't provide that ofc)
What i said was that they don't have a clear weapon. Monaco's weapons are no match for the weapons of other TOP 10 players.
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

I think Monaco really gets way too hard a treatment on MTF. I think he deserved his place in the Top 10 and it isn't that surprising.

Alund, on the other hand, I never expected to get this far. He seems to have made it purely by virtue of his willpower and stamina. I agree with Nathii's comment that some top-level Challenger players inevitably make it into the Top 100 (and are unable to become a permanent fixture on the ATP Tour), but I never thought Alund would be at the same level as those she mentioned (Prodon, Dutra Silva, Ungur). I tip my hat to him though.
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

OP, you cannot be seroius...
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Default Re: Greater achievement: Monaco in TOP 10 vs Alund in TOP 100

Well, at least Alund is going to beat Nadull unlike Mugnaco.
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