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Old 02-22-2013, 06:05 PM   #91
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Very harsh terms for the bail (or are they just normal? I am not that familiar with the law). Nevertheless, he won't have it all peachy:



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Considering the severity of the crime, yes it's normal because the flight risk is obviously higher when up against life in prison.

Point 3 is special because his own house was the crime scene and neighbours etc can be important witnesses. In another scenario he'd been allowed to be at home.


If it's bail for some minor crime, courts often don't set strict terms and it's not supervised that carefully either. Then sometimes the defendant doesn't show up for the trial and gets a warrant for their arrest. If it's not that severe it could take a long time before cops bother, unless they are lucky and stop said person in some traffic situation and see he got a warrant on him.


If Oscar Pistorius would break his terms and "make a run for it" (sorry) then they'd surely start a big manhunt for him.
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I was close (in my head that is) but I didn't bother to check the correct spelling so I took the easy way out and chose a word close enough to what I meant
Extraction worked just as well, so no problem understanding your meaning. I wasn't correcting you. I was correcting him for miscorrecting you.
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Like yourself Lopez, I am unfamiliar with the law. But I have to say, that he would have less brains than I credit him with if he were even attempt to break any one of those conditions.
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Nope. It doesn't go from premediated murder into manslaughter but there are many different degrees of murder.
oh I know it doesn't go like that... I'm just saying that the prosecution went for the max, probably hoping to get 2nd degree murder (not premeditated). But if their case falls apart with bad evidence and dodgy police work, they may have to settle for manslaughter.

It's like in a negotiation. You ask for more than what you think you'll get, knowing you'll be negotiated down. They ask for Murder 1, he wants a total walk. The middle is either murder 2 or manslaughter. We'll see which one it is.

Manslaughter wouldn't necessarily be a 'total accident' it just means absence of malice (in case of involuntary manslaughter, absence of intent to kill). Self defence is justifiable but killing an unarmed intruder who has surrendered to you would not be justifiable. And in this case you have an element of negligence, where you assumed it was an intruder and assumed they posed a grave threat to you, all through a closed bathroom door.

Many people believe "if there's an intruder in my home, I have the right to do whatever I want to them, regardless of if they are armed, in any position to harm me, or even if they're surrendering." But that's not what the law says.
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I certainly hope he doesn't get manslaughter... that is clearly not what happened here.

Isn't the crime more serious because she was his girlfriend?, because over here it (very much)is if the victim is family or girlfriend/ boyfriend that you lived with, wife/husband.
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Awful decision, but at least the bail has set him some strict laws. Still, it says nothing about being allowed back into the sport. That's extremely disappointing.
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so much for not having a leg to stand on
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Self defence is justifiable but killing an unarmed intruder who has surrendered to you would not be justifiable. And in this case you have an element of negligence, where you assumed it was an intruder and assumed they posed a grave threat to you, all through a closed bathroom door.

Yes. The way I see it the defense and Oscar himself must prove that he really was fearing for his life and really had gotten death threats. That way the defense can argue that he was on edge and then a "shot first" mentality could be more reasonable.

Problem is he hadn't filed cases against those threats. If he had done that the situation would look better for him. Now it's just his word. Unfortunately his own word doesn't count for much at all because he is the accused. IF the defense has a witness that can prove that Oscar was on edge close to the incident and also had recieved threats he got a decent case. Doubt they have one. So they will likely rely on character witnesses but then they get another dilemma.

They need him to be a good and trustworthy person, but they also need to make it reasonable that he's impulsive and lacks some self control, or the story of shooting an intruder is not believable at all. Versus a smart prosecutor they can easily torpedo themselves trying a stunt like that.


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Many people believe "if there's an intruder in my home, I have the right to do whatever I want to them, regardless of if they are armed, in any position to harm me, or even if they're surrendering." But that's not what the law says.

Very true. Many people misunderstand self defense and also confuse it with other laws like your rights as a civilian when encountering a crime in progress. You are fully allowed to do a "citizen arrest" but not at any cost.

The only reason many people still get away due to self defense is that if you catch a crime in progress, the criminal could act in a threatening way and give you a reason to use your gun, like reaching for his own gun or trying to rush you with another weapon. But if the criminal just makes a run for it or even locks himself into your bathroom (whyyyy) you cannot kill them.

What speaks for Oscar is that he's crippled and can then argue that he was extra vulnerable and possibly that he can prove he lived in a dangerous area and the idea of a dangerous intruder being in the house was very reasonable.

His big problem is that he had the intruder cornered (which also meant Reeva was safe if he assumed she was still in bed) so then the shoot first mentality makes even less sense from a self-defense perspective.

Situation was under control and he could have talked to the intruder, fired a warning shot, called loudly for Reeva so she could call the police while he guarded the exit from the bathroom. He had many options and picked a very strange one
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when they came to catch him, he tried to run away
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really? haven't heard about this.
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really? haven't heard about this.
I'm stumped. He was pulling your leg and you walked straight into it.
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He knows everyone can see he's trying to cover up his crime.
He maliciously fired at the bathroom because he argued with her and didn't care what happened to her.

He knew he fired 5 bullets into the bathroom and never thought about his girlfriend's safety.

He had a lot of time to get the gun & aimed so perfectly at the door. However, he escaped an intruder he never clearly heard or saw, and he never once looked at his girlfriend or did anything to get her out of HIS home?
He is an arrogant killer who claims he never knew she was out of bed.

Who spends time with a girlfriend and doesn't notice she was quiet and refusing to get out of the bathroom?

He had no problem with his hands; if he thinks he'll go free because he destroyed the door & victim without hesitation, he's deluded.
He didn't open the bathroom door as quick as an Olympic racer, so he was a crime victim who coincidentally had a gun and no other victim made a plea for them to leave the home.
He expects the judge to believe
he defended himself by staying home with his girlfriend & a criminal?

Not even a thief deserves
an execution=style butcher job he did to Reeva. She said she couldn't wait to enjoy Valentine's day with him. He had other problems he couldn't allow the public to witness. He didn't like a peaceful day; there was something bad in his way but it wasn't an intruder...
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He knows everyone can see he's trying to cover up his crime.
He maliciously fired at the bathroom because he argued with her and didn't care what happened to her.

He knew he fired 5 bullets into the bathroom and never thought about his girlfriend's safety.

He had a lot of time to get the gun & aimed so perfectly at the door. However, he escaped an intruder he never clearly heard or saw, and he never once looked at his girlfriend or did anything to get her out of HIS home?
He is an arrogant killer who claims he never knew she was out of bed.

Who spends time with a girlfriend and doesn't notice she was quiet and refusing to get out of the bathroom?

He had no problem with his hands; if he thinks he'll go free because he destroyed the door & victim without hesitation, he's deluded.
He didn't open the bathroom door as quick as an Olympic racer, so he was a crime victim who coincidentally had a gun and no other victim made a plea for them to leave the home.
He expects the judge to believe
he defended himself by staying home with his girlfriend & a criminal?

Not even a thief deserves
an execution=style butcher job he did to Reeva. She said she couldn't wait to enjoy Valentine's day with him. He had other problems he couldn't allow the public to witness. He didn't like a peaceful day; there was something bad in his way but it wasn't an intruder...
he is foolish and thinks people is as foolish as him, a bad liar, just like that Nancy Kissel, the milkshake killer. Though she was being convicted twice to have murdered her poor hubby. Again, she never gives up, and is now wasting the tax payer and most importantly, her old parents' monies, by appealing again. Really shameless, if you planned to murder someone, you should have know the consequences and take the punishment
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