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Old 02-14-2013, 01:54 AM   #181
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"and not surprisingly, it happens when nadal is losing... nadal was awfully quick between serves when djokovic was struggling for breath in this year's australian open
how did this guy even win a stefan edberg sportsmanship award?"

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Old 02-14-2013, 02:17 AM   #182
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I mean everything he is saying has some logic to it, obviously hard court is tough on the body and 25 seconds at times is not enough. however, I do think that umpires are generally fair and that after extremely long points they do typically allow a bit more time for players to collect themselves and breathe

Nadal does seem a bit grumpy grandpa in this but the thing is he's one of the sports superstars, he sort of has to express his opinion.

and all of these threads that post his interviews sort of are unfair to him because some reason it seems to go past everyone's brains that it is indeed JOURNALISTS who ask him questions like this

when a journalist asks Nadal "what do you think needs to be improved on tour" or "how do you feel about the new 25 second enforced time rule" etc etc etc why are all of you surprised that he says something negative? it's not his job to necessarily LIKE all of the rules in the sport. and if he is competing with the new rules then clearly he has accepted the terms and it is purely up to the umpires to enforce the rules.

grow up and stop whining about Rafael's whining. it's like a never ending headache with Nadal's typical answers to journalists looking for spicy conversations that then create a whirlwind of annoying hater threads

It only has logic to it if your style of play is suited for clay/slower surfaces. You're never going to hear Federer or aggressive players complaining about fast courts/hard courts because their games are suited for that surface. Rafa is not speaking for majority for sure, because majority are not clay court specialists. You're NEVER going to hear Murray complaining about too many hard court tournaments. You think Murray would like if majority of tournaments were on clay? He'd never win a slam. I'm sure Rafa would love to play mostly on clay, but tennis is not about what Rafa wants. He is not bigger than the game itself.

25 seconds is not enough? Too bad. Rules are there for everyone. If your style of play is too physical, then change your style. Shorten the points. Do you remember 2011 USO final between Rafa and Nole? In the final set, Nole had nothing left in the tank, he was spent. And what did he do? He changed his game. He went for his shots, he was aggressive when he had no other option...and he won. Change your game-play when points become too grueling. Like Nadal, Nole is also a grinder, but the difference is that when Nole is down and out, when you think you have him physically, he starts going for his shots, redlining. He shortens the points and more often than not comes through. Watch this year's AO. I'm willing to bet you that he didn't go over 25 seconds too many times. Certainly not as often as in the past, especially when he played against Rafa. He learned to shorten the points by either being more aggressive from the baseline or coming to the net. Rafa has to do the same...instead campaigning for rule changes.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:55 AM   #183
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rafa cannot beat roger and novak without gamesmanship

And Fed cannot beat Rafa with or without gamesmanship.
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rafa cannot beat roger and novak without gamesmanship
Are all Noserertards as whiny as their idol? We could be ending droughts with their tears.
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And Fed cannot beat Rafa with or without gamesmanship.

in IW, When Roger wins Nadal. Nadal used gamesmanship usual. Nadal took timeout before Roger's SFM. You do not remember?

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I mean everything he is saying has some logic to it, obviously hard court is tough on the body and 25 seconds at times is not enough.
Empirical evidence suggests otherwise. Other players routinely manage to work within the alloted time with very little deviance. They all have been fine. 25 seconds is acceptable for everyone other than Nadal, and when you realize that he's known to slow things up in tight situations, the spurious nature of his comments is even more blatant.

Worse than that, though, is that everything he says is designed to fit his own agenda. That's very rational of him, of course, but he needs to stop trying to pass it all off as the interests of others.

Slow hard courts, which in turn lead to needlessly extended rallies that demand more physical effort and incite problems with the body, are the real issue. An alternative solution to "less hard courts" would be to speed up (at least most) those in existence. But, of course, Nadal wouldn't want that either, as he's expressed in the past.

The bottom line is that pretty much everything he adds to the conversation is skewed by self-serving bias.
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Empirical evidence suggests otherwise. Other players routinely manage to work within the alloted time with very little deviance. They all have been fine. 25 seconds is acceptable for everyone other than Nadal, and when you realize that he's known to slow things up in tight situations, the spurious nature of his comments is even more blatant.

Worse than that, though, is that everything he says is designed to fit his own agenda. That's very rational of him, of course, but he needs to stop trying to pass it all off as the interests of others.

Slow hard courts, which in turn lead to needlessly extended rallies that demand more physical effort and incite problems with the body, are the real issue. An alternative solution to "less hard courts" would be to speed up (at least most) those in existence. But, of course, Nadal wouldn't want that either, as he's expressed in the past.

The bottom line is that pretty much everything he adds to the conversation is skewed by self-serving bias.
Do not forget Djokovic is in the conversation. He plus Nadal automatically equals a very long match.
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First, if 25-second rule was a rigid rule umpires would have a chronometer with them and they haven't. 25-second are enough in many ocassions, but not after a great rally, so I agree with Rafa at this.

Second, a player is entlited to think that a current rule is not good for the game. Roger for example doesn't like hawk-eye, because he likes to fight to the umpire, something that goes against the rules. When he smash a racquet or throw one of his tantrum against an umpire he is cheating? It's again the rules, so according to Fedtards doctrine he is.

Third, every player take the time he thinks is necessary for him, and if its too much umpire must penalize him. For example, its against tennis rules throw the ball out of determined bounds, so according Fedtards if you do that and the umpire don't make the right call you are cheating.
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First, if 25-second rule was a rigid rule umpires would have a chronometer with them and they don't. 25-second are enough in many ocassions, but not after a great rally, so I agree with Rafa in this.

Second, a player is entlited to think that a current rule is not good for the game. Roger for example doesn't like hawk-eye, because he likes to fight to the umpire, something that goes against the rules. When he smash a racquet or throw one of his tantrum against an umpire he is cheating? It's again the rules, so according to Fedtards doctrine he does.

Third, every player take the time he thinks is necessary for him, and if its too much umpire must penalize him. For example, its against tennis rules throw the ball out of determined bounds, so according Fedtards if you do that and the umpire don't make the right call you are cheating.
They don't have it because in the past players did not feel bigger than the rules and did not see it as normal to cheat. Next.
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They don't have it because in the past players did not feel bigger than the rules and did not see it as normal to cheat. Next.
When Roger smashes a raquect to the ground and figth with the umpire then he is cheating and he feels bigger than the rules. Next.
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25 seconds is enough. People act like there are 20 shot rallies every point - there aren't even in Djokovic/Nadal matches.
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Kyle is right, of course. I've seen Nadal towel, pick arse, etc. after he's served an ace. Did he need >25 seconds after one such point. No, of course, but delusional fanboys would come up with some other idiotic argument to support his breaking of the rules.

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25 seconds is more than enough, we're not making them go 10 seconds or less between points and they rest every other game for a couple of minutes, it's not as if they are playing 200 minutes without rest every time.
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