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Old 02-24-2013, 02:17 PM   #61
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im not sure whats the problem

some ppl believe there is god and nothing beyond him
some ppl believe there is god and he has a Prophet
spme ppl believe there is god and he has a son
some ppl believe there's just us humans and nothing more
some ppl believe in Spirits.

Dualism, monotheism, Buddhism, Atheism, Deism - are we in 2013 or 1013?
ppl should believe in whatever, whenever, however they want and need, its their own Decision.
why change it? in the end it doesnt really matter who do u pray at night or what road u have chosen, just be a good person, respect other, be Patient and tolerant thats all.

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Old 02-24-2013, 02:19 PM   #62
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True, the most egregious examples of following humanist doctrine are 20th century tragedies
And the most encouraging ones are advanced, democratic societies with the highest levels of human development index.

Why pick only the "egregious" ones?

And lol at defining regimes like Pol Pot's as "humanist". Communism is an ideology not unlike most religions.

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, but most of the societies in the world before that time were very much theist, whether they were aboriginal, such as the native americans (the belief of a creator, and knowledge of his moral code), or any of the other world religions.
Most of the societies were also sexist, racist, homophobic and had a tendency to consider some human beings as the property of others. That's why we have a thing called progress.

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I posted a link to some of the most educated scientific minds who are currently practicing, who believe in the concept of intelligent design, and who are a lot more knowledgeable than you or me. Bros there is nothing "funny" about it, and there are no "nutjobs" in the house. No idea who you're referring to.
Wow, that must be the most bold-faced appeal authority I've ever seen.

You're basically saying that because some smart people believe in God and they're smart, then they're right and we should STFU.

Quite frankly, it's a bit odd that you'd choose that line or argument, since there are a great deal of studies that show that religious belief is indirectly proportional with IQ and education. The more educated a person is, the least likely it is that they are religious believers.

For instance, despite over 80% of Americans profess a belief in a personal God, only 7% of their leading scientists do.
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And the most encouraging ones are advanced, democratic societies with the highest levels of human development index.

Why pick only the "egregious" ones?

And lol at defining regimes like Pol Pot's as "humanist". Communism is an ideology not unlike most religions.



Most of the societies were also sexist, racist, homophobic and had a tendency to consider some human beings as the property of others. That's why we have a thing called progress.



Wow, that must be the most bold-faced appeal authority I've ever seen.

You're basically saying that because some smart people believe in God and they're smart, then they're right and we should STFU.

Quite frankly, it's a bit odd that you'd choose that line or argument, since there are a great deal of studies that show that religious belief is indirectly proportional with IQ and education. The more educated a person is, the least likely it is that they are religious believers.

For instance, despite over 80% of Americans profess a belief in a personal God, only 7% of their leading scientists do.
I get headaches from random cherry picked arguments and rambling.

"religious belief is indirectly proportional with IQ and education."

that makes no sense.

"then they're right and we should STFU."

You're a headcase. You're the one who generalized all theists as "nutjobs" and took the not so high road with an insulting tone. Go away troll.

Before you do, look at the djoko-cross and be saved !

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And, Roger Federer ranks 5th. But any problem cannot be found? is there nothing?  

Because, Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal certainly win Roger?

Even David Ferrer? (Roger 14 - 0 David)

Or, Roger loses even before QF? lol

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Right, stick to attacking me and refrain from actually addressing my points.

"Indirectly proportional" is exactly the same as "inversely proportional", the opposite of "directly proportional".
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I get headaches from random cherry picked arguments and rambling.

"religious belief is indirectly proportional with IQ and education."

that makes no sense.

"then they're right and we should STFU."

You're a headcase. You're the one who generalized all theists as "nutjobs" and took the not so high road with an insulting tone. Go away troll.

Before you do, look at the djoko-cross and be saved !

The argument about IQ and religion is demonstrably true. Doesn't mean there are some very clever religious people in the world (past and present). Though what I see is that religious scientists either make their findings correspond with religious dogma's or simply state that the dogma is the truth and their finding is simply false, because it can't contradict the holy book in their eyes.

About Djokovic's cross. I am always disappointed when I see that over the top religious symbol (same as kippah, burka or any other apparel to express your religious belief) on an otherwise great ambassador for the sport. One of the reasons I dislike Del Potro and Serena Williams as well, thanking god after their wins (and not doing it when they lose).
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"Indirectly proportional" is exactly the same as "inversely proportional", the opposite of "directly proportional".
and correlation doesn't imply causation
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About Djokovic's cross. I am always disappointed when I see that over the top religious symbol (same as kippah, burka or any other apparel to express your religious belief) on an otherwise great ambassador for the sport. One of the reasons I dislike Del Potro and Serena Williams as well, thanking god after their wins (and not doing it when they lose).
seems like an intolerant type of thinking to me. why would it bother you that others believe in the supernatural? it's not like they're trying to convert you or oblige you to do anything.

live and let live.
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They are pretty cool dudes in robe and I heard their leader is the spokeman for god on earth which is pretty neat aswell.
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seems like an intolerant type of thinking to me. why would it bother you that others believe in the supernatural? it's not like they're trying to convert you or oblige you to do anything.

live and let live.
Well to be fair, sometimes (if not often) these beliefs have real-world consequences which can be detrimental.
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seems like an intolerant type of thinking to me. why would it bother you that others believe in the supernatural? it's not like they're trying to convert you or oblige you to do anything.

live and let live.
Tell that to the Pope. Tell him to leave all those people in peace whenever they want to have a fun time using a condom without risking contracting serious diseases.

As Lopez said, beliefs affect actions. How can it be otherwise.
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and correlation doesn't imply causation
That's true, I never said it did.
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seems like an intolerant type of thinking to me. why would it bother you that others believe in the supernatural? it's not like they're trying to convert you or oblige you to do anything.

live and let live.
I believe in all that, but I think you should refrain from expressing your belief (of anything) unless asked.
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I believe in all that, but I think you should refrain from expressing your belief (of anything) unless asked.
Coming from a guy who complained in the thread of Brad Drewett having an incurable disease because a poster posted that his prayers go with him and his family
Everyone has the right to express what he believes,what is wrong you?
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I believe in all that, but I think you should refrain from expressing your belief (of anything) unless asked.
This I can't agree with.
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Coming from a guy who complained in the thread of Brad Drewett having an incurable disease because a poster posted that his prayers go with him and his family
Everyone has the right to express what he believes,what is wrong you?
I am a member of this forum, so I am asked about my beliefs (whether it's about tennis or something else) in every threa and, I can choose not to post.
And in that case I found it very selfish to pray for Drewett and not for (for instance) all other ALS patients.
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