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Old 11-01-2010, 09:03 AM   #61
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Just because some people may not like him doesn't mean that a lot of what he's saying isn't true. It would be great if we existed in a vacuum as a sport where fixing and doping didn't take place, but as anyone who knows more about the inner workings of the sport can tell you that is simply not the case.

Christophe might be hinting at an over-exaggerated number in some cases, but he is 100% correct regarding the hypocrisy that exists in our sport on a multitude of levels.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:53 AM   #62
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Here is an article regarding his interview where he also mentions that the women`t tennis is a big joke
http://communities.canada.com/montre...ing-shots.aspx
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I bet Serena could beat Rochus
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I bet Serena could beat Rochus
Typical.

Well said in that interview.
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Should be easy enough to figure out who Rochus is talking about, narrowed it down to only 6 possibles....
I have also MI LR LD DY AC JP
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I bet Serena could beat Rochus
Eat, not beat. She'd have room for dessert too.
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I have also MI LR LD DY AC JP
Can rule out Young/Clement/Rosol from the above, because they were never 5-3 up in the 2nd. Also ruled out Ramos-Vinolas and Gasquet for the same reason.

That leaves the following....

L Marsel Ilhan 28/04/2010 1-6 7-5 6-2 <-- Tunis
L Lukas Dlouhy 07/03/2010 1-6 7-6(3) 7-5 <-- Davis Cup
W Stefan Koubek 29/09/2008 6-1 7-5 <-- Mons
L Jaroslav Pospisil 26/09/2008 1-6 7-6(4) 6-3 <-- Trnava
W Roko Karanusic 05/04/2008 6-1 7-5 <-- St Brieuc
W Frank Dancevic 14/06/2004 6-1 7-5 <-- Wimbledon qualis


I couldn't find scoring order for these, anyone remember or know a source?
Edit: see post two below.

ps not heard any rumours about any of the above though, nothing overly suspicious there either.

pps if it was more than a couple of years ago, he may misremember a little. If first set was 6-2 for example (which probably drastically increases the number of possibles).

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Can rule out Young/Clement/Rosol from the above, because they were never 5-3 up in the 2nd. Also ruled out Ramos-Vinolas and Gasquet for the same reason.

That leaves the following....

L Marsel Ilhan 28/04/2010 1-6 7-5 6-2
L Lukas Dlouhy 07/03/2010 1-6 7-6(3) 7-5
W Stefan Koubek 29/09/2008 6-1 7-5
L Jaroslav Pospisil 26/09/2008 1-6 7-6(4) 6-3
W Roko Karanusic 05/04/2008 6-1 7-5
W Frank Dancevic 14/06/2004 6-1 7-5


I couldn't find scoring order for these, anyone?

ps not heard any rumours about any of the above though, nothing overly suspicious there either.

pps if it was more than a couple of years ago, he may misremember a little. If first set was 6-2 for example (which probably drastically increases the number of possibles).
Koubek had a banned substance violation at one point.
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Old 11-01-2010, 12:02 PM   #69
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Default Re: A short history of drugs in tennis

Rochus-Ilhan: fits the pattern, Ilhan led 5-3 in 2nd, and got it back to 5-5, according to this
http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...+ilhan&page=16

Rochus-Karanusic: can't find score order. Karanusic did break once though, versus 4x for rochus (statistically most likely being double break first set, then 2 breaks to 1 in second set).

Rochus-Dancevic: can't find anything, not really surprising given it was a Wimbledon quali R1 from 2004.



RULED OUT:
Rochus-Dlouhy: was a dead rubber in Davis Cup, can't confirm score order but no way anyone dopes for that.

Rochus-Koubek: Koubek didn't lead 5-3 in 2nd, see...
http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...+koubek&page=7

Rochus-Pospisil: Popsicle didn't lead 5-3 in 2nd, see...
http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...127440&page=27

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Old 11-01-2010, 01:28 PM   #70
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...and bored.

Anyone can remember the Karanusic-Rochus match from 2008 St Brieuc semis? Specifically, did Rochus take the 2nd set from 3-5 to 7-5?
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:38 PM   #71
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What an idiot. This is all purely speculative and him mentioning names shows how classless he is.
At least he opens his mouth and he already did it 8 years ago: http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...4&postcount=32
There's doping in tennis and we should talk about it, without taboo.

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Justine was demotivated and burnt out. It was apparent in her results.
If it was apparent from her results, we might believe it. Claiming without proof that a player is clean is as silly as claiming s/he is doped. The questions he raised are nothing new to me. I've already heard about such speculations in the world of amateur Belgian cycling, in particular, which I know reasonably well. (hope this sentence is acceptable for the moderation)

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And she reached #1 because she was skilled. No amount of performance enhancing drugs can make you hit such amazing backhands or be terrific at the net. That's talent.
Same as above + for sure dope is not needed in tennis. You can play of 3 or 5 hours, that doesn't tire you out. Some drugs enhance concentration, clear-mindedness, ... So yeah hitting amazing backhands may also be a result of doping.

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And as for Canas being "almost noble", seriously? I'll go rob a bank and give the money to my family. It will give them financial security. Does that make me "almost noble" as well? For players who lost to Canas, what about them? They were not assisted by a banned substance and lost out on $$$ because of Canas. That's not almost noble, that's disgusting. I say this and I'm actually a fan of Canas' game.
I agree with you on that. And as I say in my deleted post, just check out the cost of Fuentes treatments and you'll know that only the rich can afford it.


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I think it's unfair to point fingers when there's absolutely no proof.
Yeah. But we don't need proof to understand that doping exists in tennis. And sometimes you need to provoke things.
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So....we looking at Ilhan here?
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So....we looking at Ilhan here?
Can't rule out Karanusic or Dancevic either. They satisfy the two conditions...

Rochus wins opener 6-1
Second set goes to at least 5-5

The third condition that the opponent led 5-3 in 2nd, only Ilhan meets that. Can't find the scoring order for Kara or Dancing Frank.

Of course, Rochus could be remembering wrong, or even some of the forum posts could be wrong too (although they're watching live, so very unlikely).

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It's obviously Ilhan he is taking about. No way he knows the game-by-game score of a match played in 2004. About Karanusic, besides being unlikely as he only got broken once, I don't think Rochus would be talking about a match he won.
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Just because some people may not like him doesn't mean that a lot of what he's saying isn't true. It would be great if we existed in a vacuum as a sport where fixing and doping didn't take place, but as anyone who knows more about the inner workings of the sport can tell you that is simply not the case.

Christophe might be hinting at an over-exaggerated number in some cases, but he is 100% correct regarding the hypocrisy that exists in our sport on a multitude of levels.
Good post. In danger of being deleted, though
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