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Old 08-07-2013, 02:05 PM   #1831
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I don't know about that, I'm just saying his examples make no sense at all. Connors retired when he was 40 and played over 1500 matches, that kind of numbers are simply crazy and could hardly be achieved by someone whose stamina and endurance were lacking
yeah but Connors played a bunch of rinky dink tournaments to get those numbers up. I'm sure if Federer wanted to play till he's 40 and were to play tournaments where the players are all ranked below 100 he too could have record titles. Take a look at a photo of McEnroe in his prime vs. Nadal and tell me one doesn't look like a featherweight and the other a heavyweight. Actually one looks like a gymnast and the other a boxer.
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:29 PM   #1832
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yeah but Connors played a bunch of rinky dink tournaments to get those numbers up. I'm sure if Federer wanted to play till he's 40 and were to play tournaments where the players are all ranked below 100 he too could have record titles. Take a look at a photo of McEnroe in his prime vs. Nadal and tell me one doesn't look like a featherweight and the other a heavyweight. Actually one looks like a gymnast and the other a boxer.
Why does one need to go to McEnroe ? Take a look at Federer / with 1000+ matches played/ and Nadal / 700+ matches/ you will see the difference and you can go five or more years ago and Nadal looks bigger and bigger
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Why does one need to go to McEnroe ? Take a look at Federer / with 1000+ matches played/ and Nadal / 700+ matches/ you will see the difference and you can go five or more years ago and Nadal looks bigger and bigger
I only referenced JMac because Time Violation mentioned him in an earlier post and we were talking about what Dick Pound said.
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In the light of the recent shocking revelations about doping in athletics in Turkey (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...sref-Apak.html), I was wondering, in view of what we've discussed previously about age distribution, whether patterns might not be similar in tennis:

"The latest revelations in Turkey prove that not only high-profile stars are tempted to cheat but also emerging athletes hoping to break into the big time. Of the 31 banned athletes announced yesterday, 20 were 23 or younger and seven were teenagers. Shockingly, they included a 16-year-old hammer thrower"

It seems not implausible, given how much it's been said recently that younger players these days just don't have the strength and stamina to compete at the very top levels of the game.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet but this passage from Dick Pound (what a name) states the obvious. Needs to be put on here though.

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"This isn't people ranked at No 300 taking drugs to boost them up the rankings, it's the people at the top who have used drugs to get there," the 71-year-old Canadian lawyer said. "I believe it's happening across sports. It's clear that cycling, athletics, swimming, tennis and soccer have major problems and are ruled by governing bodies in denial."
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Bla Bla Bla.
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Bla Bla Bla.
He is Dick Pound
Ah yes, former head of WADA, and you are? At least he accepts the truth.

Doping is rampant across every sport. Especially tennis, and especially so at the high echelons of the game. The sooner the fans, the people who generate the cash start taking issue with it, the sooner the sport can clean up.
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Ah yes, former head of WADA, and you are? At least he accepts the truth.

Doping is rampant across every sport. Especially tennis, and especially so at the high echelons of the game. The sooner the fans, the people who generate the cash start taking issue with it, the sooner the sport can clean up.
They can't clean sport from Doping. It's impossible. It's not only about them
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They can't clean sport from Doping. It's impossible. It's not only about them
Obviously it can't be completely clean. But corrupt officials, governing bodies, coaches and athletes surely can be ostracised and kicked out of the game. Doping isn't fought, it's accepted and that is what needs change.
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They can't clean sport from Doping. It's impossible. It's not only about them
nevertheless they should try to get rid of doping. Right now they are sticking their collective heads in the sand, this is not the way.
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What did this Dick Pound so when he was the head of WADA?It's so easy to do the talk now he's probably retired.
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What did this Dick Pound so when he was the head of WADA?It's so easy to do the talk now he's probably retired.


He lobbied very hard to get the national, and sports organizations (ITF, FIFA, IOC, ...) to strengthen their doping rules, and testing.

He is retired from WADA, but he is still to this day lobbying to clean up sport.

Unfortunately, Pound, and WADA do not have the authority to directly clean up sport. The sports authorities, and the national governments do not have the will to out their "Heroes". These bodies clearly have a conflict of interest, and refuse to do their part to keep sport clean.



It is brazenly obvious that many sports are dirty (cycling, track and field, football {both FIFA and NFL},NBA, NHL, and pro tennis).

In tennis, you see
1) speed around the court that you have never seen before,
2) super human stamina, where players are faster late in the fifth set, than they are at the start of the first set, and
3) extreme upper body strength that allows a player to put WAY more energy into a shot (spin plus speed) , in spite of using a "dead" string (polyester),and poor technique (leaning backwards using no "leg"),
4) Players lobbying to weaken the testing
5) Players being involved with dodgy clinics,
6) National authorities protecting their home country Heroes
7) Sports authorities claiming that they have tough testing, when they don't,
8) Sports authorities accepting lame excuses (Bad steak = Contador, it was slim's drink man = Agassi)
9) No transparency in the testing (players names are kept secret well after the positive test has been analyzed)

Compared to just 15 years ago, the players today are brutes. No, modern nutrition and training does NOT explain away these physical gains. PEDs do.

Of course, human nature being what it is, once someone (usually a youngish male) makes one of these frauds into a "hero" in their own minds, they will fight like hell to defend their favorite players. We have seen the same over and over with frauds like Lance Armstrong, Alberto Contador, Barry Bonds, Flo Jo, Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Roger Clemens,.... It is called "denial".
These fans are fools. And so are most of you.

You have to prove it in a court of law,
He never tested positive,
Only the lower ranked would cheat,
Tennis has a strong drug testing program,
It's just his genetics,
He works harder than others,
You accusers are just stupid,
You accusers are just uncool moralists,
You accusers are just paranoid conspiracy theorists,
bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,..........

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He lobbied very hard to get the national, and sports organizations (ITF, FIFA, IOC, ...) to strengthen their doping rules, and testing.

He is retired from WADA, but he is still to this day lobbying to clean up sport.

Unfortunately, Pound, and WADA do not have the authority to directly clean up sport. The sports authorities, and the national governments do not have the will to out their "Heroes". These bodies clearly have a conflict of interest, and refuse to do their part to keep sport clean.



It is brazenly obvious that many sports are dirty (cycling, track and field, football {both FIFA and NFL},NBA, NHL, and pro tennis).

In tennis, you see
1) speed around the court that you have never seen before,
2) super human stamina, where players are faster late in the fifth set, than they are at the start of the first set, and
3) extreme upper body strength that allows a player to put WAY more energy into a shot (spin plus speed) , in spite of using a "dead" string (polyester),and poor technique (leaning backwards using no "leg"),
4) Players lobbying to weaken the testing
5) Players being involved with dodgy clinics,
6) National authorities protecting their home country Heroes
7) Sports authorities claiming that they have tough testing, when they don't,
8) Sports authorities accepting lame excuses (Bad steak = Contador, it was slim's drink man = Agassi)
9) No transparency in the testing (players names are kept secret well after the positive test has been analyzed)

Compared to just 15 years ago, the players today are brutes. No, modern nutrition and training does NOT explain away these physical gains. PEDs do.

Of course, human nature being what it is, once someone (usually a youngish male) makes one of these frauds into a "hero" in their own minds, they will fight like hell to defend their favorite players. We have seen the same over and over with frauds like Lance Armstrong, Alberto Contador, Barry Bonds, Flo Jo, Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Roger Clemens,.... It is called "denial".
These fans are fools. And so are most of you.

You have to prove it in a court of law,
He never tested positive,
Only the lower ranked would cheat,
Tennis has a strong drug testing program,
It's just his genetics,
He works harder than others,
You accusers are just stupid,
You accusers are just uncool moralists,
You accusers are just paranoid conspiracy theorists,
bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,..........
Yes the amount of denial in tennis starts from the top - the ITF, filters down through the players to the media, and then to the fans. And it's rampant here, if comments on this forum are anything to go by.

I can't believe how many times I have read posters argue that PEDs would not benefit tennis players, that it is a game where innate skill and technique are the key, and these cannot be enhanced by artificial means. The same people who clearly believe only athletes, swimmers and cyclists benefit from doping.
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I do believe today's athletes are more professional,look after their body,there is also so many researches about improving one's physical ability,it doesn't necessarily mean they're using PED's 100%.

As for the rest of your post,sorry to day,nut it looks more like conspiracy theories.
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What did this Dick Pound so when he was the head of WADA?It's so easy to do the talk now he's probably retired.
Dick Pound is a lawyer and a politician, so figure out what he really knows about doping... he only is trying to use this issue as pawn in his chess game to be president of IOC. All policy.
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