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Old 02-07-2013, 02:56 PM   #106
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some fed and nole tards this place never changes. another example of starting to dislike one player just because he isn't talking nice about their idols , these people, or they don't have better things to be bothered with or they all have serious restrictions in development . so they must be really lucky or really unlucky human beings


always sad moment when i have to leave my trolling manners and be a voice of reason
No. Not at all. I couldn't care less about what the guy thinks of Nole or Roger, he has his opinion and he is entitled to it. But he certainly needs to filter what he says in an interview that is going to reach a lot of people. It called being mature and having manners. I do not "hate" him for accusing Nole of being fake, I am not that big of a tard, and I do not "hate" him either for voicing his opinion like that. Because he just showed how childish he still is, either that or just plain rude, and since he is young, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:59 PM   #107
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some fed and nole tards this place never changes. another example of starting to dislike one player just because he isn't talking nice about their idols , these people, or they don't have better things to be bothered with or they all have serious restrictions in development . so they must be really lucky or really unlucky human beings


always sad moment when i have to leave my trolling manners and be a voice of reason
please dude you have picture of Rosol as you avatar because he made sure Federer wins Wimbledon........all Federer fans hate Nadal and wish him injuries because he beats their idol............all of us here are the same
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some fed and nole tards this place never changes. another example of starting to dislike one player just because he isn't talking nice about their idols , these people, or they don't have better things to be bothered with or they all have serious restrictions in development . so they must be really lucky or really unlucky human beings


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And? Janowicz has the right to make any kind comments about whomever he likes, and people have the right to not like him as a result of those comments. What exactly did you expect? If you're a Fed/Nole/Rafa/Murray fan, and if someone says something negative about them, your natural response is to dislike that person and disagree with them. I'm surprised that you're surprised.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:05 PM   #109
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And? Janowicz has the right to make any kind comments about whomever he likes, and people have the right to not like him as a result of those comments. What exactly did you expect? If you're a Fed/Nole/Rafa/Murray fan, and if someone says something negative about them, your natural response is to dislike that person and disagree with them. I'm surprised that you're surprised.
Maybe I am a very conservative person and I am only finding out about it now. But all the people saying he has the right to voice his opinion? Sure he has, as long as he does not insult anyone. He said Federer "is full of himself". This is not constructive criticism, this is just being plain rude and insulting a player in the media.

(Problems with translation, and veracity of this whole thing aside. )
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please dude you have picture of Rosol as you avatar because he made sure Federer wins Wimbledon........all Federer fans hate Nadal and wish him injuries because he beats their idol............all of us here are the same
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Praying to god Jerzy meets Fed in Rotterdam and thrashes him... the more reason for Fedtards to hate him seeing as they've already decided to hate him off one comment... Well I guess Jano is getting places if he has MTF haters..
There were all kinds of comments from individual persons in this thread,

but what irritates me most is this kind of generalization, which actually even in this thread doesn't reflect reality at all, and which this poster has been used to doing actually in many threads, only noting the worst part of a fanbase to generalize.

The worst part is that the person who makes this comment has come to Fed's forum then perfectly knows about the diversity among Fedfans and that some Fedfans are very nice and deserve a real respect also for the way they respect the other players.

But still makes those comments for whatever reason just to flame stupid wars or because he/she just has a special vision enabling him/her only to see bad things ...

And is approved by Samanosuke of all people criticizing other Fedfans' tardism
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I'm all for players speaking up and acting like themselves. If he has true beef with the top 3, then have at it.

It still won't stop me pointing out that this Janowicz kid is a bit slow and probably a bit mentally-challenged. Everyone can see that.
Aside from the fact that it is unlikely that that is the case, there is nothing wrong with criticising Janowicz. However, when people start bashing him and pointing fingers at him, saying that he does not have the right to make those statements, that's where I draw the line. As I said, if Jerzy does not have the right to say negative things about players, then we as a collective here on MTF do not have it in the least. Dissenting opinions should be encouraged and Jerzy should have the option to voice them if he so chooses. The consequences are for him and him alone to bear.

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And? Janowicz has the right to make any kind comments about whomever he likes, and people have the right to not like him as a result of those comments.
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Maybe I am a very conservative person and I am only finding out about it now. But all the people saying he has the right to voice his opinion? Sure he has, as long as he does not insult anyone. He said Federer "is full of himself". This is not constructive criticism, this is just being plain rude and insulting a player in the media.

(Problems with translation, and veracity of this whole thing aside. )
Why should the line be drawn there? Insults (and these remarks were no insults) might be a sign of bad manners, but why should making insults be banned? The freedom to say whatever dumb thing one wants should be upheld. The consequences are for whoever makes those comments, if it lands someone into trouble, tough luck.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:18 PM   #113
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Maybe I am a very conservative person and I am only finding out about it now. But all the people saying he has the right to voice his opinion? Sure he has, as long as he does not insult anyone. He said Federer "is full of himself". This is not constructive criticism, this is just being plain rude and insulting a player in the media.

(Problems with translation, and veracity of this whole thing aside. )
He didn't say it. That's the thing.

But he does have a big mouth and sooner or later may say something really so I'm not gonna defend him.
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I hate Nadal because his face annoys me (Christiano Ronaldo of tennis), he uses gamesmanship and he has an ugly looking game.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:25 PM   #115
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Aside from the fact that it is unlikely that that is the case, there is nothing wrong with criticising Janowicz. However, when people start bashing him and pointing fingers at him, saying that he does not have the right to make those statements, that's where I draw the line. As I said, if Jerzy does not have the right to say negative things about players, then we as a collective here on MTF do not have it in the least. Dissenting opinions should be encouraged and Jerzy should have the option to voice them if he so chooses. The consequences are for him and him alone to bear.



Bingo.



Why should the line be drawn there? Insults (and these remarks were no insults) might be a sign of bad manners, but why should making insults be banned? The freedom to say whatever dumb thing one wants should be upheld. The consequences are for whoever makes those comments, if it lands someone into trouble, tough luck.
It's not true. I believe I have insulted a few players on the forum before, not big insults, but accusing Federer of being "too full of himself" is something I could very well be the one saying. But nobody gives a damn about my opinion, I am not saying this in an interview and neither are my words going to spread around like a virus within the tennis comunity.

The consequences are not just for whoever makes the comments. Djokovic and Federer will probably hear about this (should this whole thing be TRUE, which I am not sure of yet), and a lot of people are hearing this. How would you feel if a guy from your Faculty was telling people around that you're too full of yourself? Within your own mini-community, people were hearing this. Would you be ok with it and think that the consequences were only for the guy insulting you?

He is natural and doesn't pretend? GREAT for him. He doesn't have any idols? AMEN to that! But why would he have to bring up Nole's and Roger's name?

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He didn't say it. That's the thing.

But he does have a big mouth and sooner or later may say something really so I'm not gonna defend him.
Which is why I added that last sentence. I still don't buy this whole thing. I don't think he could be that dumb and rude.

But he needs to learn how to filter, no?
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Some of you guys do not understand the difference between honesty and stupidity. His comment about Fed and prize money is not true and is malicious/stupid. Fed spent so many hour negotiating prize money increase for lower ranked players and no, he is not getting paid to sit on the players council. When Jan wins 17 slams he can afford to be arrogant too. The problem is he is the arrogant one here, he is not telling the truth.

As for his comment about Nole, I don't really care. It is his opinion and nothing else. Some people love Nole's impersonations, some don't. He doesn't do it any more, he is not a comedian any more, but Nole's been always natural IMHO. However, that's my opinion and, as I said, if he thinks he is fake then let it be.

Comments about Nadal ... again, his personal opinion and far from what it is but I won't go there.

Some of you enjoy this drama ... Jan opened his big mouth, says some BS and now he is a hero, uh, oh ... and you call that 'honesty', guy is simply stupid, unprofessional and disrespectful. There is nothing honest in his statement.

And no, I'm not saying this as a Nole fan. I wrote more about Federer. I say it as I see it. Jan should show his arrogance on the court and win some titles before he opens his big mouth next time.
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Good for Janowics for having an opinion but his reasoning doesn't sound very intelligent to me.


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There were all kinds of comments from individual persons in this thread,

but what irritates me most is this kind of generalization, which actually even in this thread doesn't reflect reality at all, and which this poster has been used to doing actually in many threads, only noting the worst part of a fanbase to generalize.

The worst part is that the person who makes this comment has come to Fed's forum then perfectly knows about the diversity among Fedfans and that some Fedfans are very nice and deserve a real respect also for the way they respect the other players.

But still makes those comments for whatever reason just to flame stupid wars or because he/she just has a special vision enabling him/her only to see bad things ...

And is approved by Samanosuke of all people criticizing other Fedfans' tardism
Okay I changed my comment to some fedfans... happy now?
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never liked this prick loser anyway regardless his comments about any player

he's just another Gulbis - Safin wannabe and oh how cool am i because i am so different

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never liked this prick loser anyway regardless his comments about any player

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