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Old 10-10-2013, 03:47 PM   #1
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Default Comparison Sampras 93-98 and Nadal 08-13

I've made a comparison of those periods because they are so damn similar in terms of Career Achievement.

Might Update it when 2013 seasson is completly ended (for Rafa's justice )

Sampras 93-98 / Nadal 08-13

Slams: 10 / 10
total gs finals: 11 / 13
M1000: 8 / 16 (2 left to be played)
Olympics: 0 / 1
YEC: 3 / 0 (1 left to be played)
total atp titles: 43 / 37 (minimum 3 to be played letf)
YE1: 6 / 3


Sampras's Slams won 1993-1998 = 2AO, 5WI, 3USO
Nadal's Slams won 2008-2013 = 1AO, 5RG, 2 WI , 2 USO
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I've made a comparison of those periods because they are so damn similar in terms of Career Achievement.

Might Update it when 2013 seasson is completly ended (for Rafa's justice )

Sampras 93-98 / Nadal 08-13

Slams: 10 / 10
total gs finals: 11 / 13
M1000: 8 / 16 (2 left to be played)
Olympics: 0 / 1
YEC: 3 / 0 (1 left to be played)
total atp titles: 43 / 37 (minimum 3 to be played letf)
YE1: 6 / 3


Sampras's Slams won 1993-1998 = 2AO, 5WI, 3USO
Nadal's Slams won 2008-2013 = 1AO, 5RG, 2 WI , 2 USO
interesting that besides YEC they had a pretty similar 5 year stretch

however it would be interesting if you put up Federer's 2004-2009 stats next to this, it would blow them out of the water
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Nadal might also end up with 14 slams.
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Nadal might also end up with 14 slams.
You wish, he will win way more than that.
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Default Re: Comparison Sampras 93-98 and Nadal 08-13

Pretty much as even as you can get.

93 to 98 and 08 to 13 is a 6 year stretch.
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interesting that besides YEC they had a pretty similar 5 year stretch

however it would be interesting if you put up Federer's 2004-2009 stats next to this, it would blow them out of the water


Its rather rafa that has the edge on quality titles and slam distribution (golden slam), sampras got the 3 yec advantage (which isnt enough to overcome title quality count of rafa with golden slam included, double m1000 amount of titles (and possibly more) and there we have to see if he is able to grab yec this year.. Its pretty even, and I'd give the slight adventage to rafa because the goldenslam is too much to deal with.

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Default Re: Comparison Sampras 93-98 and Nadal 08-13

Yes, the numbers are very similar.

How about the total numbers?

Slams: Sampras- 14, Nadal- 13
Slam Finals: Both have 18
Titles: Sampras has 64 titles from 88 finals, Nadal has 60 titles from 84 finals.
Total W/L: Sampras 762-222, Nadal 650-126

Nadal is mega close, and will pass Pete with an AO 14 title.

Rafa's gotta get this WTF also though.
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interesting that besides YEC they had a pretty similar 5 year stretch

however it would be interesting if you put up Federer's 2004-2009 stats next to this, it would blow them out of the water
Thats why I didnt include roger, he won 14 slams in that 6 year period and reached 20 out of the 24 total finals. Reached at least semifinals in 23 of the 24 gs he played in that period..
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interesting that besides YEC they had a pretty similar 5 year stretch

however it would be interesting if you put up Federer's 2004-2009 stats next to this, it would blow them out of the water
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Yes, the numbers are very similar.

How about the total numbers?

Slams: Sampras- 14, Nadal- 13
Slam Finals: Both have 18
Titles: Sampras has 64 titles from 88 finals, Nadal has 60 titles from 84 finals.
Total W/L: Sampras 762-222, Nadal 650-126

Nadal is mega close, and will pass Pete with an AO 14 title.

Rafa's gotta get this WTF also though.
yes if he does AO 14' or any other slam he pass Sampras and Tilden, and only stands behind the holy four, isnt it?

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Quite a bit on the line on Monday night.


Should Nadal win, he will get his 13th slam, #1 will be a matter of time/formality, and he will move up to #7 of all time, behind only Laver, Fed, Gonzales, Rosewall, Tilden, and Sampras. From then, each slam will move him up.

13 slams= #7
14 slams= #5
15 slams= #4, ahead of Rosewall, and Gonzales if he has 2 of each
16 slams, assuming 2 of each would move him to #2, just behind Fed
17 slams, imo, with 2 of each, would, at the very least, tie him with Fed, some would say move him ahead.

But, far too much, let's just focus on Monday, eh?
I agree with this, although if he wins 2 slams more (assuming if it includes another AO, he would be 3# rather than 4, because he would be ahead of everyone but Fed and Laver, I think you did a typo on the quoted post.

I think he doesnt need double career slam to pass sampras, just any slam more, his golden career slam is enough equating the slam count.

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yes if he does AO 14' he pass Sampras and Tilden, and only stands behind the holy four, isnt it?
I would have to say so, yes.

An AO title for Rafa, and he ought to be #5 behind only, as you said, the holy four, the Mt. Rushmore, Federer, Laver, Gonzales, and Rosewall.
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Default Re: Comparison Sampras 93-98 and Nadal 08-13

To be fair to Sampras, masters series tournaments, or super 9 events as they were called in the 90s, weren't that big a concept in his prime at all. Many of the top ranked players routinely skipped those events, and didn't get any zero pointers for doing so.

It was only really from 2000, when they were rebranded slightly and more importantly offered more prize money and ranking points that they became a lot more important.

That's why I was laughing when people were making such a big deal of Djokovic for instance overtaking Sampras's 11 masters series titles, when it was far from an apples vs. apples comparison. I mean who the hell really cared about the super 9 titles count in the 90s, similar to who the hell cared about the grand slam title count in the 70s.

Still I think Nadal's achievements of winning RG, Wimbledon and the US Open at least twice in his career, and all of them in 3 and a half months in 2010 are pretty huge. It's pretty neck and neck between them already.
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To be fair to Sampras, masters series tournaments, or super 9 events as they were called in the 90s, weren't that big a concept in his prime at all. Many of the top ranked players routinely skipped those events, and didn't get any zero pointers for doing so.

It was only really from 2000, when they were rebranded slightly and more importantly offered more prize money and ranking points that they became a lot more important.

That's why I was laughing when people were making such a big deal of Djokovic for instance overtaking Sampras's 11 masters series titles, when it was far from an apples vs. apples comparison. I mean who the hell really cared about the super 9 titles count in the 90s, similar to who the hell cared about the grand slam title count in the 70s.

Still I think Nadal's achievements of winning RG, Wimbledon and the US Open at least twice in his career, and all of them in 3 and a half months in 2010 are pretty huge. It's pretty neck and neck between them already.
Still they were bigger evens than smaller atp titles, Sampras has like 20 atp250 titles out 64. Rafa has only 6 out 60.
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Real shame that we never did get to see Sampras vs. Nadal on the tour.

2003 would have been a chance had Pete stuck around. Seeing 16-17 year old Nadal vs. 31-32 year old Sampras would have been cool.

2003 Monte Carlo, 2003 Barcelona, 2003 Hamburg, Basad, Umag, Stuttgart, maybe those would not be that competitive, but Nadal-Sampras at Wimbledon or USO 2003 would have been great. Or Lyon, Madrid or Basel, but Pete was long gone by then.

Though we did get to see Nadal-Agassi in Montreal 2005.
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To be fair to Sampras, masters series tournaments, or super 9 events as they were called in the 90s, weren't that big a concept in his prime at all. Many of the top ranked players routinely skipped those events, and didn't get any zero pointers for doing so.

It was only really from 2000, when they were rebranded slightly and more importantly offered more prize money and ranking points that they became a lot more important.

That's why I was laughing when people were making such a big deal of Djokovic for instance overtaking Sampras's 11 masters series titles, when it was far from an apples vs. apples comparison. I mean who the hell really cared about the super 9 titles count in the 90s, similar to who the hell cared about the grand slam title count in the 70s.

Still I think Nadal's achievements of winning RG, Wimbledon and the US Open at least twice in his career, and all of them in 3 and a half months in 2010 are pretty huge. It's pretty neck and neck between them already.
And there's a great big elephant in the room. Surface homogenisation. Not to discredit Nadal, he deserves all he has but it's also far from an "apple vs. apple" scenario when comparing slam titles from the 90's and early 2000's to the current age.

We're also in 2013, when in previous era's we'd have expected guys from the 90's to step up and challenge for slams. They're not even challenging for MS titles and barely 250/500 events.

I know these comments will anger "player fans" and cloud people's objectivity but let's be real here.

By the way, it's nice to see you posting again. I remember you as "Scott" And I don't remember names here all too well.
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Real shame that we never did get to see Sampras vs. Nadal on the tour.

2003 would have been a chance had Pete stuck around. Seeing 16-17 year old Nadal vs. 31-32 year old Sampras would have been cool.

2003 Monte Carlo, 2003 Barcelona, 2003 Hamburg, Basad, Umag, Stuttgart, maybe those would not be that competitive, but Nadal-Sampras at Wimbledon or USO 2003 would have been great. Or Lyon, Madrid or Basel, but Pete was long gone by then.

Though we did get to see Nadal-Agassi in Montreal 2005.
And a great match it was. Agassi's movement was completely shot from even a year gone by but it was still a terrific match. Nadal was surprising a lot of people and users here often over look how good Nadal was on hard back then. His victory in Madrid was also a great achievement. Ljubicic was red hot and really should've had the match put to bed and had he done so, he'd probably have done the double in Paris. Turns out he won neither.

In fact, we nearly had a Rusedski vs. Nadal final. That would've been really interesting.
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