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Old 01-29-2013, 04:01 AM   #16
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Painting with a broad brush there, buddy. It is rare in these forums to see such an infantile comment made not in jest. I guess every present and past player who doesn't bow down and genuflect to your favorite is a whore for the ATP. Like me, most long-time, unbiased tennis fans accept the Federer is the GOAT but his dominance is over.
Unfortunately, in this forums, most tards are not unbiased fans.
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Their is no Djokovic-Murray domination.
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There's not even a rivalry...Murray is the waiter who serves Nole his titles.
But we Nole fans love this.
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Two final slams and other countless master finals and you people say there is no dominating rivalry? Pathetic.
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Nobody said great players were also great people. Another past great who has prostituted himself out to the ATP as a mouthpiece for whatever crap they want. Just like McEnroe and Wilander who whore themselves out everyday as commentators, saying ridiculous things about Nadull, Fakervic, and Mugray, looks like Becker is getting in the game. Can't wait until he says Fakervic has the best volleys he's ever seen because of the AO final, even better that Nadull (who has better volleys than Federer as we know thanks to McEnroe).
Yes. Federer for example is one of the greatest players of all time, maybe GOAT , but he is very bad person.
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Outstanding play on that bp. Djokovic was ahead in that point at the start.

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uhhh..... how?

Sampras - Agassi actually contested a BUNCH of slam finals and Federer-Djokovic like.... one? Sampras- Agassi = a lot more way more dramatic matches. Sampras - Agassi = better contrasting styles, literally the opposites of one another. Sampras - Agassi = the biggest icons of the entire 90s, the same generation of one another, same country (United States), etc. Djokovic - Federer not the same generation, not dominant at the same time, etc.

Novak is obviously a great player now BUT he would have gotten dismantled if he had played in the same generation as Federer. frankly as far as the H2H and 'rivalry', Novak is very fortuante that Roger has bit his pride and decided to play long past his prime, something which helps skew the rivalry into looking favorable towards Djokovic. obviously Novak is going to win some matches when in his prime against 31 year old Roger Federer. I kept thinking to myself last World Tour Finals literally while the match was going on live, Djokovic is struggling to beat 31 year old Federer, and Federer is not playing anywhere near how he did in, say, 2005/6 or his prime

so there are quite a few reasons why I think that Agassi - Sampras are a better rivalry, primarily because they were in the same generation and as far as I am concerned at a more fascinating contrasting of styles

Sampras - Agassi is like watching two oranges who were harvested at the same time play together. Djokovic - Federer is like watching a fresh out of the oven loaf of bread face off against a stale bagette. and they're surprisingly close in flavors and outcomes of matches. which means a bad rivalrly IMO since 31 year old shouldn't be consistantly practically winning and losing back and forth with players dramatically younger and in their prime

stop saying stupid things you bitter bitter fangirl.........Novak would have destroyed everyone in that generation except Federer
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stop saying stupid things you bitter bitter fangirl.........Novak would have destroyed everyone in that generation except Federer
Mountaindewsware is such a delusional nadal tard, the worst by far in this forum. Half of what he says is bullshit and the other half is insanity.
Of course he hates Djokovic with passion. So pathetic.
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Yes. Federer for example is one of the greatest players of all time, maybe GOAT , but he is very bad person.
I'm generally not a supporter of Federer, and Nole is my favorite player, but I gotta say, how would you know? Do you know him personally? Just because he plays mind games on and off the court doesn't mean you know him. Federer the man and Federer the tennis player, like all tennis players - including Nole - are two very different personas. I've heard a lot of crap from Federer the tennis player over the years, but I've also heard/seen a lot of crap from Rafa/Nole the tennis player, too. Don't be so quick to judge people.

Every very elite player will say anything to rattle their opponent. As far as we know, privately, Roger might be the nicest person of all current tennis players. Don't judge him - or any other tennis player - based on what they say and/or do within tennis stratosphere. You can say I don't like his antics and/or Roger's tennis persona, but to say he is not a nice person is very ignorant. It's a war out there. Everyone wants slams, everyone wants titles, and everyone's time is running out. Elite players have no time - nor can they afford - to make friends with their main rivals. They will say/do anything to gain advantage over their main competitors.
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stop saying stupid things you bitter bitter fangirl.........Novak would have destroyed everyone in that generation except Federer
Yup, even 19 or 20 year old Djokovic didn't have too many problems with such strong era stalwarts as Blake, Ljubicic, Denko etc, but somehow 25 yr old Nole would get destroyed. Clueless Nadal fangirl
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Yup, even 19 or 20 year old Djokovic didn't have too many problems with such strong era stalwarts as Blake, Ljubicic, Denko etc, but somehow 25 yr old Nole would get destroyed. Clueless Nadal fangirl
Plus let's not forget he was the only player who could play fedal at their own game and beat them many times. He also won his first slam at 20 beating Federer in the process and challenging him the year before in the USO final. I still remember how Federer and Nadal were nervous about having young Djoko in their halves of the draw.
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can someone please point out what exactly is interesting or insightful about that article?

Becker has nothing to offer as a pundit whatsoever. Lazy piece filled with the same lazy rubbish every pundit comes out with about how the more "aggressive" player won.

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In taking his fourth Australian Open title against Andy Murray he knew exactly how he wanted to play from the outset, and after almost four hours he was winning the battle both physically and emotionally. How did he want to play?

This is what happens in a great rivalry. The preparation becomes easier, because you understand the other guy’s game inside out.

I remember from my confrontations with Stefan Edberg that I knew every one of his qualities and weaknesses. We played three successive Wimbledon finals against each other from 1988 to 1990, and quickly I was able to work out his favourite shot, his least effective weapon.

This is how Djokovic approached his second grand slam final against Murray: his knowledge of his opponent helped him to stay sharp, to dominate the centre of the court, to control the rallies.
By the fourth set he was forcing Murray to make all the running and if you play like that, eventually you are going to beat anybody. what knowledge? which weaknesses did he exploit?

Edberg and I came from an era with far more serve-and-volley players, and this was the style that defined us. I had a little more power than Stefan, whereas he had the greater mobility.
But the best players now stay back, because they are able to hit winners from the back of the court.

The trick is to remain aggressive even though you are a counter-puncher. This is where Djokovic has improved beyond recognition over the past two years, and he proved again in Melbourne that he is the master behind the baseline. Be aggressive? That's it? zzzzzzz

We might be tempted to say after this performance that Djokovic holds the upper hand over Murray. But we should note that in the last two slam finals, they still stand at one victory apiece. They are awfully close. No shit

Djokovic is the world No1, so I have to put him slightly ahead, but Murray has been more impressive than anybody in challenging him point for point. Really?

They will be contesting many more of these finals over the next three years. Even though I would never rule out Roger Federer for as long as he plays the game, this rivalry is here for good.

Mind games always come into a duel like theirs but I would not overestimate them. Both players were mentally very impressive in this match, but what I noticed most strongly was how far Djokovic has advanced tactically in just the last three months. He did not play so aggressively either in New York, or in his final against Federer at the O2 in November. examples of mental impressiveness? Examples of tactics? ANY TACTICS apart from "playing aggressively"

People debate so much about all the work that Murray has done on his fitness in Miami during the off-season, but we forget that Djokovic has put in the same effort, if not more. It is simply that he does not like to talk about it. thanks for this. I thought he'd been loading up on cevapi and rakija all off season.

Yes, Murray was affected by the feather in the second-set tie-break and yes, he cursed a lot, but the crucial factor was that Djokovic found a different level, in his skill and his intensity. He played on the front foot throughout the whole match and by the end Murray had nothing left in the tank. again, nothing specific about how Djokovic played apart from "being aggressive"

For the first two sets Murray played well but in a slam final you have to seize your chances. Not many come your way, especially against Djokovic, so when he was break point up early in the second set and failed to capitalise, you sensed the momentum turning. I was shouting at the time, ‘Oh my God! He has got to do it now!’ But he did not grasp his opportunity.

In the third set Djokovic broke for the first time in the match and then essentially ran away with it, partly because you could see that Murray was struggling with the blisters on his left foot.
I would say that Murray was partly a victim of the scheduling in Australia, because whoever plays a long semi-final on Friday night is always at a disadvantage if the final goes long, too. yawn

The alternative argument is that the winner on Friday is riding on positive emotion, which can carry him through. This almost happened with Murray, but he and Djokovic have a history of long matches and once this one hit the three-hour mark, you could tell he was feeling the effects on his body.

In terms of his mentality, I have seen Murray much worse. I do not believe he was nervous or tentative and his swearing should still be allowed, because as spectators we love it. He suffered instead from the fact that Djokovic was the one taking all the risks. Truly, the better man won.

But Murray needs a great rival to help him reach the next stage. To become a multiple grand slam champion he appreciates that he has to erase all his weaknesses, that he cannot hope to attack a player as good as Djokovic if he does not change his game slightly. It is a natural progression.

I found that towards the end of my career, Pete Sampras became my toughest rival, because he took his attacking abilities to a different plane.

In the same vein, Djokovic’s phenomenal talents are all the motivation Murray needs to be the best player he can possibly be.

Becker’s top three rivalries

1. Bjorn Borg v John McEnroe: As I was only 12 at the time of their great Wimbledon final in 1980, this is about as far back as I can remember. Borg’s ice-man personality and McEnroe’s aggression made the perfect blend.

2. Pete Sampras v Andre Agassi: In the final years of my career I played both these guys on many occasions and they were always wonderful to watch together. Sampras was the ultimate serve-and-volleyer, and Agassi the perfect returner.

3. Roger Federer v Rafael Nadal: Considering these two players hold 26 grand slam titles between them, theirs is a difficult rivalry to beat. Their 2008 Wimbledon final was the best match I ever witnessed.
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uhhh..... how?

Sampras - Agassi actually contested a BUNCH of slam finals and Federer-Djokovic like.... one? Sampras- Agassi = a lot more way more dramatic matches. Sampras - Agassi = better contrasting styles, literally the opposites of one another. Sampras - Agassi = the biggest icons of the entire 90s, the same generation of one another, same country (United States), etc. Djokovic - Federer not the same generation, not dominant at the same time, etc.

Novak is obviously a great player now BUT he would have gotten dismantled if he had played in the same generation as Federer. frankly as far as the H2H and 'rivalry', Novak is very fortuante that Roger has bit his pride and decided to play long past his prime, something which helps skew the rivalry into looking favorable towards Djokovic. obviously Novak is going to win some matches when in his prime against 31 year old Roger Federer. I kept thinking to myself last World Tour Finals literally while the match was going on live, Djokovic is struggling to beat 31 year old Federer, and Federer is not playing anywhere near how he did in, say, 2005/6 or his prime

so there are quite a few reasons why I think that Agassi - Sampras are a better rivalry, primarily because they were in the same generation and as far as I am concerned at a more fascinating contrasting of styles

Sampras - Agassi is like watching two oranges who were harvested at the same time play together. Djokovic - Federer is like watching a fresh out of the oven loaf of bread face off against a stale bagette. and they're surprisingly close in flavors and outcomes of matches. which means a bad rivalrly IMO since 31 year old shouldn't be consistantly practically winning and losing back and forth with players dramatically younger and in their prime
FED beat NOVAK many times while JOKER was under 21 yo.
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Nobody said great players were also great people. Another past great who has prostituted himself out to the ATP as a mouthpiece for whatever crap they want. Just like McEnroe and Wilander who whore themselves out everyday as commentators, saying ridiculous things about Nadull, Fakervic, and Mugray, looks like Becker is getting in the game. Can't wait until he says Fakervic has the best volleys he's ever seen because of the AO final, even better that Nadull (who has better volleys than Federer as we know thanks to McEnroe).
what's the problem here bud? Roger lost and you are mad? so you are calling 3 legends of tennis (JMac, Becker and Wilander) prostitutes and whores ??? because they are right now commentators on TV. like really, who the hell are you? that's so retarded. let us know your expertise in tennis please? how many slams did you win? have you even played tennis?

and btw, Fakerivic is not Edberg, but he won 36 out of 41 (if I remember correctly) net points in the final.

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Good read, and nice analysis by Becker.
well yes. Boris was pretty objective and neutral IMO. It's beyond me that some guys here always find something to complain about
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