[Mark Lenders]

Originally Posted by Saberq

Big John cant hide his posting style.........very stupid from his part

Not everyone can be as smart as, say, Fireballer Now that guy was a great poster, shame he doesn't post anymore these days, don't you agree ?

With that said, Fishnet is not Big John, I'm 100% sure of it. Don't worry though, shouldn't take long until Big John really makes a double account.

[~Maya~]

Originally Posted by Mark Lenders

Fishnet is not Big John. I suspect he might be another permabanned MTF user from even before I joined (read a few of his posts in bumped threads), but I'm not sure so I'll keep my suspicions to myself for now and give him the benefit of the doubt. He's 100% not Big John though.

Agree

He is not BigJohn. Speaking of permabanned posters, GlennMirnyi 's account is unbanned again. Interesting

[Alex999]

Originally Posted by ~Maya~

Agree

He is not BigJohn. Speaking of permabanned posters, GlennMirnyi 's account is unbanned again. Interesting

how did you figure that out? he is still on the list of banned guys. I just checked it out.

[Honestly]

Yes but I still feel like Becker and Edberg are bigger legends for some reason.

[~Maya~]

Originally Posted by Alex999

how did you figure that out? he is still on the list of banned guys. I just checked it out.

It happened before. He even posted for a couple of hours before mods fixed the "system glitch"

[Topspindoctor]

Originally Posted by ~Maya~

It happened before. He even posted for a couple of hours before mods fixed the "system glitch"

That means he is still lurking on MTF Such a mug.

[Alex999]

Originally Posted by Honestly

Yes but I still feel like Becker and Edberg are bigger legends for some reason.

you know why it feels that way? It's called nostalgia . i.e. Borg is still the greatest to me and always will be, although Fed is the GOAT. emotions and memories vs. logic, If you know what I mean.

[tektonac]

Originally Posted by Honestly

Yes but I still feel like Becker and Edberg are bigger legends for some reason.

understandable, they didn't stand in rogi's way.

[Mountaindewslave]

no way has he passed Becker

[Alex999]

Originally Posted by Mountaindewslave

no way has he passed Becker

oh, yes way ... check out their overall accomplishments, consistency, number of titles etc. Ask Boris and he'll tell you the same thing . the bottom line is Djokovic is in his prime and capable of winning many more slams.

[tektonac]

Originally Posted by Mountaindewslave

no way has he passed Becker

look at the poll results.

[Mountaindewslave]

Originally Posted by Alex999

oh, yes way ... check out their overall accomplishments, consistency, number of titles etc. Ask Boris and he'll tell you the same thing . the bottom line is Djokovic is in his prime and capable of winning many more slams.

they both have 6 slams but Novak top heavy with Australian Open titles and Becker with Wimbledon titles, how does 3 Wimbledon titles not beat out 4 Australian Opens?

sure Novak beats Becker out by A LOT on weeks at #1 but Boris also has one more year end championships than he does.

there are certainly arguments to be made that Becker is more accomplished

obviously Djokovic will pass him in the future but I just don't see how anyone could argue there is much of a difference, Becker also played in a much harder era, fact, not to say the top 5 in his time was necessarily as strong, but there were WAY more threats throughout the top 100.
the 'era argument' just goes in circles so maybe I should not have brought it up, but at the very least their resumes are pretty fucking close

[Whiznot]

The joker is a much better player than either of those greats and if he isn't ahead of them he soon will be. As a long time fan who isn't particularly fond of Novak, that's my opinion. Djokovic's movement and consistent stroke production are both superior. If Djokovic had been able to solve his health issues earlier the relative Federer, Nadal and Djokovic positions would be so much closer.

[Mountaindewslave]

Originally Posted by Whiznot

The joker is a much better player than either of those greats and if he isn't ahead of them he soon will be. As a long time fan who isn't particularly fond of Novak, that's my opinion. Djokovic's movement and consistent stroke production are both superior. If Djokovic had been able to solve his health issues earlier the relative Federer, Nadal and Djokovic positions would be so much closer.

Becker was a wayyyy more powerful hitter, better serve, better at net, etc/etc. you can say all you want about thinking Djokovic is a better package but he would have been screwed had he played late 80s or in the 90s, as would Becker in today's game, so I think unless Novak gets really noticable better achievements than it would be unfair to say he has surpassed Becker or Edberg. just too close to call right now

[Ilovetheblues_86]

Djokovic is almost 26 now and by this age he has 6 grand slams. Boris had 5 at this age, but he was facing the rise of Sampras and Agassi.
I dont see Djokovic facing someone in the future who will win 14 Grand Slams like Sampras or 9 like Agassi.
Becker had to face Sampras and Agassi in the future, so he only won one more grand slam.
Edberg at the age of 25 also had 5 grand Slams.
Both Edberg and Becker were born in 1966/1967 so in 1991 they alread had won their grand slams facing one each other + Lendl and Wilander, but unfortunately had to face youngster Sampras and Agassi.
Djokovic can see only himself in the future plus facing Murray and decadent Nadal.




Of course Djokovic is a better overall player with better movement and strokes than Becker and Edberg but his volleys are worse than theirs.
This means Djokovic doesnt have a doubles career, whilst Becker and Edberg has a better doubles career than Djokovic (Edberg won two grand slams, while Becker was number 6 in Doubles).

So for me, even if Djokovic wins 10 grand slams in total he might have surpassed those players in numbers, but in terms of plaing style and what he brings to tennis he will be more like a singles specialist with a bigger time of playing on high level than surpassing those players in terms of legend.


But of course Djokovic is a terrific tennis player and comparing them is a bit unfair.