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Old 01-30-2013, 12:11 AM   #121
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A bit better than the Murray/Berdych USO 2012 SF

The wind was gusty from no specific direction. That was the toughest part.
At 0:50 That match was so bad, it was unreal.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:22 AM   #122
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Lo, their early matches were often pretty bad, much better quality later on
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I remember Montreal 2007 - the first sign of Fed declining where he gifted Novak the title. Awful performance by him...
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:45 AM   #124
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I remember Montreal 2007 - the first sign of Fed declining where he gifted Novak the title. Awful performance by him...
Yeah during the so called "best era"
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Novak won the title for himself. With a little help from Molina early on.

But I can't help but wonder what had happened if Federer had gotten Novak's draw.
berdshit would've played 300% to straight sets olderer, only to then get triple bagelled by djokovic in the most one-sided GS final in history
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Lol, I still remember the hysteria after he lost twice to Canas, as if the world was gonna come tumbling down
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Yeah during the so called "best era"
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:53 AM   #129
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Patrick McEnroe brought out the stat that there is no advantage to an extra day of rest and I believe that a very competitive 5 setter 2 days before your next match can only improve your chances and get you into fighting form. I was actually concerned about djoker's easy win over ferrer and his extra day off. So I rephrase your question, did the extra day off cause rusty nole to lose that first set in the final? Me thinks.

Nole showed us how to peak last year despite a grueling semi-final. The fact that Murray starts to fall apart at the first sign of sustained and serious opposition says more about him than Federer. That's why I want Nadal back. He don't fold like a scottish tent in the wind.

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Old 01-30-2013, 11:26 AM   #131
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Riiight.

I don't dispute your data, which I'm sure is from an excellent source.

But in order to truly surpass Federer, I think most would agree that Djokovic needs to, you know, WIN some more majors...

I think it would also be appropriate to look at where Federer was in terms of tennis titles at the age Djokovic currently is, to gauge in some way the likelihood of Djokovic catching up...
5 years ago Djokovic and Myrray only just started to "bother" Federer. And even then Nadal was already a penicillin for him. Apart from that, Hewitt wasn't much of the threat. And for winning majors, I'll just sit and wait, I'm pretty confident about that
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Patrick McEnroe brought out the stat that there is no advantage to an extra day of rest and I believe that a very competitive 5 setter 2 days before your next match can only improve your chances and get you into fighting form. I was actually concerned about djoker's easy win over ferrer and his extra day off. So I rephrase your question, did the extra day off cause rusty nole to lose that first set in the final? Me thinks.
Exactly. That Fognini W/O still in my mind
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Djokovic won the title in R4, I don't know if that was fair, I don't know if that was a deserved match, but what i'm sure about, is that match gave him the confidence to play great tennis and win the title.
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Roger Federer tired Andy Murray out in their semi final and you can't help but feel that Roger helped Novak win this title.

Discuss.

And probably Mirka tired Roger the night before so Mirka won the title for Novak !

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