View Poll Results: Do you like Murray-Djokovic matches
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Yes
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No
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Sometimes- It depends really
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11-09-2012, 04:02 PM
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#811
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Re: Endless Djokovic/Murray Debates (Are their matches boring)
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Originally Posted by Sophocles
It's on neither's racquet because neither is an especially aggressive player, although both have big weapons. Djokovic used to be aggressive (going for winners early in a point) in 2007/8. Since then he has basically been an aggressive grinder, rather like Ferrer with a backhand.
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This, I used to enjoy Djokovic's game a lot more before, it was more fluid, more technical and looking to take the initiative of the points much more: 2008 AO, 2010 US open SF were some of my favorites matches from him. Recently, he has basically managed to take out all of the risks off his game relying on running all the balls down. Murray is similar the only difference is that he varies shots more. But his main mindset is the same.
Anyway, you would need to pay me to watch the whole match of 4 hours + of them. The way they approach their matches is basically like an Iron man competition, let's keep the ball relatively high and safe with minimum risk and see who is the more macho man in running down more balls and playing better defense for longer. Winners and shot making are nearly meaningless, is all about stamina. I just tune in in the last 20 minutes of the match, where 8 out 10 times Djokovic takes it, due to having a better mentality. Oh and just to add, Nadal wasn't any better, he and Djokovic started this trend of Incredible Physical matches before Murray was a protagonist.
The only thing I give to Nadal some slack, is that he does tries his best to play aggressively with his game, the thing is the way his game is built FH, serve is very hard for him to play a straight aggressive game on faster surfaces. On clay you can see him running over guys whenever he can.
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11-09-2012, 06:10 PM
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#812
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Re: Endless Djokovic/Murray Debates (Are their matches boring)
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Originally Posted by GugaF1
This, I used to enjoy Djokovic's game a lot more before, it was more fluid, more technical and looking to take the initiative of the points much more: 2008 AO, 2010 US open SF were some of my favorites matches from him. Recently, he has basically managed to take out all of the risks off his game relying on running all the balls down. Murray is similar the only difference is that he varies shots more. But his main mindset is the same.
Anyway, you would need to pay me to watch the whole match of 4 hours + of them. The way they approach their matches is basically like an Iron man competition, let's keep the ball relatively high and safe with minimum risk and see who is the more macho man in running down more balls and playing better defense for longer. Winners and shot making are nearly meaningless, is all about stamina. I just tune in in the last 20 minutes of the match, where 8 out 10 times Djokovic takes it, due to having a better mentality. Oh and just to add, Nadal wasn't any better, he and Djokovic started this trend of Incredible Physical matches before Murray was a protagonist.
The only thing I give to Nadal some slack, is that he does tries his best to play aggressively with his game, the thing is the way his game is built FH, serve is very hard for him to play a straight aggressive game on faster surfaces. On clay you can see him running over guys whenever he can.
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Maybe there is a reason for all that? like tactics? I have seen Nole play offensive on many occasions. I agree he was more offensive back in 2007/08 but as we see more ineffective also.
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11-09-2012, 06:33 PM
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#813
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Re: Endless Djokovic/Murray Debates (Are their matches boring)
Novak needs to think before hammering the serve. Just tossing in bad serves and wild forehands won't cut it.
He became too moody this year. Therefore, the Slam semi/finals were pure nightmares. Last year, he took care of his serve, not sloppy like this year. He was a wreck when he had to worry about what to do to be number 1 and a role model to fans/organizers of public events.
Just has to focus on a few things and stop talking so much to the media about his mistakes.
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12-28-2012, 07:20 PM
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#814
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Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
Djokovic easily makes the final of Abu Dhabi routing Ferrer 6-0 6-3 while Murray bombs out early to Tipsy.
I know it's only an exho but it's the previous to AO and the players take it as their preparation for Australia. Will this trend prevail in 2013 with Novak making it to most finals and Murray winning here or there but losing early in lesser tournaments? I don't think Andy can make it ever to nº1 with that attitude, he simply can't. He needs to prapare as well for the slams as for the rest of the tournaments. Has he got the mental strenght and will to be number 1? What are your predictions for the upcoming season?
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12-28-2012, 07:22 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
USO 2012 was a fluke, and the 2013 tennis season should prove it for all to see
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12-28-2012, 07:28 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
Murray will have a positive H2H against Djokovic in 2013.
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12-28-2012, 07:32 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
wishful thinking from you Nole Fan
the trend will be this - Murray slapping Nole around like he did in Olympics and US Open, hope that HELPED.
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12-28-2012, 07:36 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
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Originally Posted by Corey Feldman
wishful thinking from you Nole Fan
the trend will be this - Murray slapping Nole around like he did in Olympics and US Open, hope that HELPED.
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Maybe he'll do it like in AO and WTF. Hope that helped
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12-28-2012, 07:52 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
H2H this year will be 5-1 Djoker...vs Dullerer that is, probably even (3-3) vs Murray.
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12-28-2012, 08:07 PM
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#820
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
Who cares about exhos? Last time Murray was in one he lost to Tipsy and Nole.
And then reached the Wimbledon final before winning the Olympics.
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Murray couldn't express it much better than that... he looks so relieved like someone who takes a powerful laxative to free himself from years of severe constipation.
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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.
I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned...
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12-28-2012, 08:12 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
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Originally Posted by TigerTim
Who cares about exhos? Last time Murray was in one he lost to Tipsy and Nole.
And then reached the Wimbledon final before winning the Olympics.
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This is just before the AO, so don't get so ahead... 
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12-28-2012, 08:18 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
i mean, he beat Ferrer 6/0 6/3 today, amazing how NoleDal take even exhos so seriously
those bastards wouldnt know how to play friendly even in a game of cards 
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12-28-2012, 08:23 PM
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#823
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
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Originally Posted by Bashkatik
Murray will have a positive H2H against Djokovic in 2013.
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Says the great master of predictions.Fed in 2, right?
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And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
THE AGE OF DJOKER THE BARBARIAN HAS COME
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12-28-2012, 08:25 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
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Originally Posted by Corey Feldman
wishful thinking from you Nole Fan
the trend will be this - Murray slapping Nole around like he did in Olympics and US Open, hope that HELPED.
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You mean like he did in Shanghai and London?Hope that helps.
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NO1E, HE CAN DO IT 3 TIMES IN A ROW
NOVAK "THE WIZARD OF OZ" DJOKOVIC
I DISLIKE HAIR FLICKERING UGLY FRAUD.
2004-2007:Weakest era in tennis.
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Originally Posted by Prodigy.
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And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
THE AGE OF DJOKER THE BARBARIAN HAS COME
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12-28-2012, 08:27 PM
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Re: Djokovic in, Murray out... same trend in 2013?
Nole only won both those matches coz Murray choked
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