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View Poll Results: Vote the biggest victims of Surface slowness

Berdych 60 40.27%
Tsonga 87 58.39%
Del Potro 42 28.19%
Nadal 10 6.71%
Federer 78 52.35%
Murray 8 5.37%
Djokovic 7 4.70%
Simon 5 3.36%
Almagro 8 5.37%
Tomic 10 6.71%
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:46 AM   #106
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Tsonga, quite clearly.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:50 AM   #107
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It's Federer not Tsonga. Federer would have had several more slams was it not for the slowness. Tsonga one at most.
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lol no and no
Lol yes and yes.
Tsonga has everything needed to win Slams bar defense,ROS and movement.
In the 90's, he would have been a multiple slam winner with his great combination of serve,FH,net play and mental strenght.
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It's Federer not Tsonga. Federer would have had several more slams was it not for the slowness. Tsonga one at most.
Prime Fed yes but Old Fed has become susceptible to being hit off the court by big hitting ballbashers (the type of player who he used to chew up and spit out) at grand slams- I think the likes of Tsonga would love a fast court against Old Fed.
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Lol yes and yes.
Tsonga has everything needed to win Slams bar defense,ROS and movement.
In the 90's, he would have been a multiple slam winner with his great combination of serve,FH,net play and mental strenght.
only that huh
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only that huh
There were many multiple slam winner in the past who had more weaknesses than that.
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Federer actually benefited from the slowing down of the courts.
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There were many multiple slam winner in the past who had more weaknesses than that.
I know mate it's called a weak era
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There were many multiple slam winner in the past who had more weaknesses than that.
Mug eras. In the 90's, Karlovic would win wimbledon.
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Federer actually benefited from the slowing down of the courts.
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Karlovic.
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O2 arena TMC is the great sample who is the biggest victims.
Roger won them in 2010 and 2011.
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at everyone saying Federer. You think it's that simple? Actually he benefits from it bcs he STILL has the weapons and skill to shorten the points, to execute them, hit winners. Or at least he had in most of his career. It allows him to have shorter matches than the others, get less tired for the rest of the tournament (and that is not something you want to put aside). He is just that good offensive player that even on 'slowed' courts (like USO, AO, W) he can/could beat anyone. Yet, other offensive players (including volley players) are NOT that good and have way more trouble on slowed courts. If the courts were faster someone like Querrey would blow away someone like Murray on a good day.

And tell me, what else do you think Fed would win? He would have like 25 Slams? 10 Wimbledons? Give me a break.
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at everyone saying Federer. You think it's that simple? Actually he benefits from it bcs he STILL has the weapons and skill to shorten the points, to execute them, hit winners.
Federer benefitted from it early on, when there still were many fast-court specialists dominating the game (Hewitt, Roddick, Scud etc). However, at present, when he is facing a generation which grew on slow surfaces, Fed is clearly at disadvantage relative to other top4.
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Back to the second part of the analysis... First part was http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...&postcount=101
I went for 2000 AO final, Agassi vs Kafelnikov, which proved to be a tougher nutt. Firstly, for the poor quality of the video (from YouTube), and secondly, for mostly shorter points.
Anyway... On that particular surface the ratio of ball speed before and after the bounce was 2.256, so actually that was more slowing than with today's surface. Players styles wise, Kafelnikov's shots averaged at 2.181 times (variation from 1.779 to 3.073), while Agassi's averaged at 2.331 (variation from 1.698 to 3.562, so it was similar to Djokovic).
But while analyzing videos I noticed something interesting. As I said, they played shorter points, but not because of the greater speed, but because they would run for the ball a lot less then in today's game!
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