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Old 01-18-2013, 09:42 PM   #31
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Yes, but those guys have played less junior events, hence their inferior ranking. On the senior tour they have had decent results.
You can't explain that to him.. those guys are well inside Top 1000 and he never played Pro match
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:43 PM   #32
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I dont think that starting to play seniour tournaments is wise decision today.

Tennis is now much more physical than ever before ,and young guys simply dont have what it needs to beat older , stronger guys.

I think we will never have another Boris Becker.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:45 PM   #33
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http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/ran...-rankings.aspx

ITF ranks Nikola Milojevic as the best junior player at this moment

Quinzi is #2

Another guy from Serbia is #4th - Laslo Djere.

Pretty good for small country like ours.
Well, unlike Nikola, Quinzi and other mentioned have been doing some noise playing futures, Ch qualies, etc. Like it's already been said, that ranking doesn't really mean much..
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That might be true (heck, I said something along those lines in an earlier post myself), but if yopu never play against difficult opposition, I do not see how you can build up your stamina, strength, agility etc.
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He's not that good. He's the junior tour's vulture, but Kyrgios and Quinzi are far superior players.
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Who knows, they might be looking at the ppor performance of young players on the senior tour and think that Milojevic has nothing to gain by playing there until he gains some experience and physical strength.
Yup, I get that, but what kind of (relevant) experience can he get from juniors tour, specially when the best juniors aren't even going to play anymore/he's supposedly #1 junior? But who knows, maybe junior #1 can get some other perks, more contract or something
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IMHO, he is a good junior but not the best. A lot of his points are from weak G1 and GA tournaments.
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He's not that good. He's the junior tour's vulture, but Kyrgios and Quinzi are far superior players.
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Yup, I get that, but what kind of (relevant) experience can he get from juniors tour, specially when the best juniors aren't even going to play anymore/he's supposedly #1 junior? But who knows, maybe junior #1 can get some other perks, more contract or something
Well, bragging rights
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So,zero ATP points unlike a bunch of others who went there instead of junior tournaments.Is there some strategy behind this or...
well as you can see in this thread and in the media, players who are ranked number 1 in juniors or win junior grand slams are very much hyped,

being ranked 1000 on the adult tour is not that rewarding and pleasant

Which means that by focusing only on juniors, you can at least have a reward in tennis at some point of your carreer.

In the past, French players were specialist for that : how many junior number 1s have we had, you would be very surprised : probably around 10

it can be one reason for such a strategy.

Another reason can be that you're not enough physically mature yet.

Usually the best juniors play junior tournaments until they are 17, sometimes 16, but if you're not physically mature or just not good enough (I think Milojevic is in the latter case), you can keep on until 18 and try to have some early rewards (for instance, Monfils won many junior grand slams when Gasquet left the junior Tour, whereas Gasquet was the same age as him and dominated him before : quite funnily people keep on putting their results among juniors at the same level whereas it's completely different : Gasquet did it at 16, Monfils at 18)

At 18 years old or even at 17, great juniors like Quinzi and now Edmund think the junior Tour is a little bit too easy for them, and they will learn more about tennis competition, stamina and everything, by playing in futures.

Also their focus is mostly on managing to have success among pros, making a real good professional carreer, rather than on having short-term rewards.

There have always been players who have nearly skipped the junior Tour. For instance Nadal, Djokovic or Berdych hardly played junior competitions.

Recently, I've heard in France that it's a better learning experience to play futures (the French have completely changed their strategy about that comparing to the past and all of our "junior number 1s") but it's also a tougher one, including because you're quite anonymous in futures, not like in junior grand slams.

And as players tend to mature later nowadays than in the past, it may be better to delay that very tough experience for a moment when you're readier. Seems that it's what Milojevic has chosen to do, as Peliwo did (Peliwo doesn't seem to be the best of his generation either, but Saville and some others focused much more on futures than him)
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they're not everywhere : it's possible to vulture in challengers or in the junior Tour, it was also possible to vulture in a way on the ATP Tour in the 70s and in a lesser extent in the 80s, but it's now impossible to vulture in top of the senior rankings because of the current structure of the rankings with 12 mandatory tournaments out of 18 counted results and because the structure of the points comparing to the level of the field is much more harmonized than in the past.
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Pffft junior number one... like we haven't learned from previous junior number ones who went on to achieve a whole lot of nothing.
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well as you can see in this thread and in the media, players who are ranked number 1 in juniors or win junior grand slams are very much hyped,

being ranked 1000 on the adult tour is not that rewarding and pleasant

Which means that by focusing only on juniors, you can at least have a reward in tennis at some point of your carreer.

In the past, French players were specialist for that : how many junior number 1s have we had, you would be very surprised : probably around 10

it can be one reason for such a strategy.

Another reason can be that you're not enough physically mature yet.

Usually the best juniors play junior tournaments until they are 17, sometimes 16, but if you're not physically mature or just not good enough (I think Milojevic is in the latter case), you can keep on until 18 and try to have some early rewards (for instance, Monfils won many junior grand slams when Gasquet left the junior Tour, whereas Gasquet was the same age as him and dominated him before : quite funnily people keep on putting their results among juniors at the same level whereas it's completely different : Gasquet did it at 16, Monfils at 18)

At 18 years old or even at 17, great juniors like Quinzi and now Edmund think the junior Tour is a little bit too easy for them, and they will learn more about tennis competition, stamina and everything, by playing in futures.

Also their focus is mostly on managing to have success among pros, making a real good professional carreer, rather than on having short-term rewards.

There have always been players who have nearly skipped the junior Tour. For instance Nadal, Djokovic or Berdych hardly played junior competitions.

Recently, I've heard in France that it's a better learning experience to play futures (the French have completely changed their strategy about that comparing to the past and all of our "junior number 1s") but it's also a tougher one, including because you're quite anonymous in futures, not like in junior grand slams.

And as players tend to mature later nowadays than in the past, it may be better to delay that very tough experience for a moment when you're readier. Seems that it's what Milojevic has chosen to do, as Peliwo did (Peliwo doesn't seem to be the best of his generation either, but Saville and some others focused much more on futures than him)
Sounds like a good strategy IMO, but the time will show
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Peliwo made all 4 Majors finals in 2012., but he also achieved Challenger 1/2 (Nikola doens't even know what Challengers are), at the age of 18 years and 1 month. Tournament was small but who cares, that was big result
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Love this "this player will be goat" predictions. Dominating juniors means nothing, probably gonna be another Dimugtrov.
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