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Old 01-18-2013, 11:39 PM   #76
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There is no doping going on in tennis.
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I was annoyed for years at how much media and fan support he received in the states despite overwhelming evidence that he doped. These fools must really feel like the rug has been pulled from under them. Some are giving their heads a shake and are starting to see him for what he is. I'm flawed like the next guy but can't get over how many gutsy, honest, and powerless people he cold-bloodedly destroyed over the years. Showed absolutely no genuine remorse talking about this with the oprah. The tone of his apology is the type when your dog poops on your neighbours lawn for the first time and you promise it won't happen again. Some say he is a sociopath, and if we could clear out these types from government, finance, and law, the world would be a better place.

I'm watching the first part of the oprah interview right now and have a feeling that like Ali, she is about to "rope a dope," pun intended. Keep him talkin' Oprah then wham-o.
After the TV confession he's now eligible under the viral law to be criminally prosecuted.
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It has nothing to do with being precious and I will voice my opinion on your opinion as well. I am sure this topic is interesting and relevant for you but no one in here knows the least bit of relevant information beyond a few headlines and the usual suspicions and innuendos yet many speak with presumed authority.

The only good thing about these topics is that inevitably a few of the usual suspects get banned.
See tribalfusion, you exemplify the problem. The ITF knows that people like you will quite happily stick their head in the sand and deny any possibility of widepread doping as long as there is no evidence of it. Therefore they design a system that is deliberately intended to not provide any evidence. Ignorance is bliss.

Let me ask you this. If you truly believe that the tour is as clean as the ITF says it is, why are you not in favour of effective testing that provides more assurance of it?

If there was a strong testing regime, there would be less suspicion and less innuendo. Less people like me. Surely you would like that?
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Man, I dunno what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're saying that the ATP/ITF doesn't need Djokovic to tell them that their testing is crap - well no shit, Sherlock. I'm saying that if players like Djokovic came out and said it in press conferences, it would make the debate headline news and put some pressure on them to do something about it.

Half the reason dope testing in tennis is so bad is because ITF/ATP have successfully perpetuated the misconception that their testing is a lot more effective than it is. 90% of tennis fans have no idea how out of date the system is. All they know is that ITF says it does a lot of testing, and there are very few tennis players caught. Therefore they assume that tennis is clean.
Why Djokovic needs to be a whistle-blower as if he has something to do with that shit?
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It has nothing to do with being precious and I will voice my opinion on your opinion as well. I am sure this topic is interesting and relevant for you but no one in here knows the least bit of relevant information beyond a few headlines and the usual suspicions and innuendos yet many speak with presumed authority.

The only good thing about these topics is that inevitably a few of the usual suspects get banned.
And yet if you read back over this and the longer thread "History of drugs in tennis" (not sure if that's the correct title), you will find information on the benefits of PEDs, how they can be used to evade the system, as well as facts and statistics on the current doping controls in tennis - I won't bore you by repeating any of this here.
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Why Djokovic needs to be a whistle-blower as he has something to do with that shit?
As the number 1 player he has the highest profile and his comments carry a lot of weight.

If Federer or Nadal had the same questions put to them in the interviews I would expect them to speak out as well. But they wouldn't either. Federer would deflect the question, and Nadal would whine about how he already gets tested too much.

All of them take the easy way out. So nothing will change.
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After the TV confession he's now eligible under the viral law to be criminally prosecuted.
You mean considering that he lied under oath? Perjury?
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And, Roger Federer ranks 5th. But any problem cannot be found? is there nothing?  

Because, Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal certainly win Roger?

Even David Ferrer? (Roger 14 - 0 David)

Or, Roger loses even before QF? lol

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It's pure naivety to assume he doesn't.

We're not talking about obscure, highly specialist knowledge here. The deficiencies in the tennis testing regime are well documented. They just don't get a lot of attention in the media.
You seem to be highly informed about the topic, so can you explain why don't they do something about it?
Do they not have enough money to invest into the matter? Are they try to protect someone? Do you have any proof to present to us, maybe?
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You also have to consider the fact the ATP is driven primarily by money, like any business. If one of the top guys was caught doping would it be financially viable and sensible to ban a player for life, especially a top player who draws in the crowds. The whole anti doping regimen is counterproductive to profit, which is one of the reasons why only mid level to lower ranked players ever get caught.
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You mean considering that he lied under oath? Perjury?
Not sure, something harder I think. And all those people he bullied into the scheme would also sue.
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You seem to be highly informed about the topic, so can you explain why don't they do something about it?
Do they not have enough money to invest into the matter? Are they try to protect someone? Do you have any proof to present to us, maybe?
Because there is no pressure on them to do so. 95% of tennis fans think that the current system works and that tennis is a clean sport. There is no heat on them coming from the media. Why change anything? What is there for them to gain?

Perception is more important than reality. Everyone thinks things are fine, until it becomes obvious that they're not. MLB and cycling had terrible doping regimes for years and nobody cared until the major scandals started happening. Then it became completely obvious to everyone that doping was rife, and the only way for them to recover any credibility was to get tough.

Unless high profile players are willing to come out and tell people how pathetic the system is, tennis will be exactly the same. Nothing will change until there is a major scandal, and when that happens then it will be too late. Tennis's reputation as a clean sport will be irreparably damaged.

I don't want to see that. Do you?
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You also have to consider the fact the ATP is driven primarily by money, like any business. If one of the top guys was caught doping would it be financially viable and sensible to ban a player for life, especially a top player who draws in the crowds. The whole anti doping regimen is counterproductive to profit, which is one of the reasons why only mid level to lower ranked players ever get caught.
We are talking high level players and I choose not to believe in conspiracy theory because it is not logical.Those men have nothing to gain and everything to lose as we saw with Lance, their honor, their legacy, their name, you name it.
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JANKO TIPSAREVIC: You know what, you're probably asking the wrong guy. You know, actually came to Kenya to test me. I wasn't going to Kenya to hide from anti doping. I was actually doing my pre season there.

One morning a person was waking me up. I was so shocked and afraid somebody was like robbing us. I wasn't sure.

But I think it's not cool what he did, cheating the sport and cheating so many people in the sport and so many people around him, believing that what he did actually did it on a clean and regular way. So that's really not cool what he did.

In regards of tennis, I think they test me often enough, blood and urine. So, sure, if they want to increase it, why not? But we have a tough enough time with this WADA process of us telling them every single day of our life where we need to be.

So I don't really see how can it be more strict than that.
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Not sure, something harder I think. And all those people he bullied into the scheme would also sue.
Right, I'm sure this will not go away quietly. I just can't imagine why he would confess now and put himself under so much risk. Maybe he was offered some kind of immunity in exchange for spilling all the beans.
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And, Roger Federer ranks 5th. But any problem cannot be found? is there nothing?  

Because, Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal certainly win Roger?

Even David Ferrer? (Roger 14 - 0 David)

Or, Roger loses even before QF? lol

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Because there is no pressure on them to do so. 95% of tennis fans think that the current system works and that tennis is a clean sport. There is no heat on them coming from the media. Why change anything? What is there for them to gain?

Perception is more important than reality. Everyone thinks things are fine, until it becomes obvious that they're not. MLB and cycling had terrible doping regimes for years and nobody cared until the major scandals started happening. Then it became completely obvious to everyone that doping was rife, and the only way for them to recover any credibility was to get tough.

Unless high profile players are willing to come out and tell people how pathetic the system is, tennis will be exactly the same. Nothing will change until there is a major scandal, and when that happens then it will be too late. Tennis's reputation as a clean sport will be irreparably damaged.

I don't want to see that. Do you?
In fact, I do. If Djokovic turns out to be the next Armstrong (hypothetically, off course) I'd be first to spit on his grave!
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