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Old 01-18-2013, 11:58 PM   #61
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Look at how much publicity his nothing-comments about doping have received. Can you even imagine how big a story it would have been if he'd come out and said "testing is 20 years out of date, the system's a joke, it needs to change"?

The guy has massive influence.
Publicity, where, here? It was just a minor news on tennis and sports portals, hardly a headline.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:03 AM   #62
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I was annoyed for years at how much media and fan support he received in the states despite overwhelming evidence that he doped. These fools must really feel like the rug has been pulled from under them. Some are giving their heads a shake and are starting to see him for what he is. I'm flawed like the next guy but can't get over how many gutsy, honest, and powerless people he cold-bloodedly destroyed over the years. Showed absolutely no genuine remorse talking about this with the oprah. The tone of his apology is the type when your dog poops on your neighbours lawn for the first time and you promise it won't happen again. Some say he is a sociopath, and if we could clear out these types from government, finance, and law, the world would be a better place.

I'm watching the first part of the oprah interview right now and have a feeling that like Ali, she is about to "rope a dope," pun intended. Keep him talkin' Oprah then wham-o.

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Those claiming all top level tennis players have doped at some point in their careers - are you including Nadal in that population?
I don't really want to get bogged down in specific allegations against specific players because:

(a) it will get fantards in here completely missing the point and defending their hero, and
(b) it will give the mods an excuse to delete/close/bury this discussion for the 100,000th time.

The real problem is the system. In most sports, a player taking time out for injury is a player taking time out for injury. In tennis, because of the lack of transparency and lack of out-of-competition testing, when someone takes time off for injury there are always whispers. They might be genuinely injured. Or they might be serving a silent ban for missing dope tests. Or they might be using a minor injury as an excuse to get juiced and avoid in-competition tests. Nobody knows.

People are whispering about Nadal's current layoff, and it's not because of anything he's done - it's because the system is so weak that nobody has any faith in it, so they're willing to think the worst of any potentially-suspicious circumstances.
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Why Hema, why?
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Publicity, where, here? It was just a minor news on tennis and sports portals, hardly a headline.
It got a lot more attention than questions in post-match interviews usually get.
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Someone already got banned earlier today for insinuations regarding doping. I see a few of you in here are skating close to it again as well (some of the usual suspects).

No poster on here knows much of anything about doping as it pertains to high level sport so don't speak as if you do.

Djokovic has a right to his own opinions and there is nothing exceptional in anything he said.
...as do the posters on here, and they can be published as long as they adhere to the forum rules.

Stop being so precious - this is an interesting and relevant discussion.
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I have absolutely no faith in the current anti-doping measures. It's worse than cycling was 10-15 years ago.
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It got a lot more attention than questions in post-match interviews usually get.
Well, no wonder, it wasn't some high-caliber match anyway. Btw, check Sharapova's answer to the same question if you want something really bland

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"I'm happy that our sport is as clean as it can be and that we're constantly tested," she said. "So as long as we're getting tested, whatever it takes, urine, blood, we're all here to make the sport as clean as it can be."
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There is an overriding perception by the general public that tennis is a clean sport. The problem is that we don't know because the testing is so bad.

If it is going to change, it needs top players bringing attention to how pathetic the system is. That doesn't just mean Djokovic, but he was the one who the question was put to in this instance. He had the opportunity to make a difference.
Let me explain this way. In these HD days of our time, there are technologies we aren't even aware of and you can hide shit. Now, if they really want to find out something they already don't know they wouldn't need Djokovic to tell them what to do. They are practically invited in every sphere of a player's life, private or professional, and could bump up while banging their wife just to say 'hi'. Hell, nowadays they even know how to make gold out of mercury in nuclear reactors, but the process is still too expensive. So no one can convince me that something can't be done.
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This might be naivete on my part, but can we be certain tennis players are even aware of the deficiency of the doping testing in tennis? Several posters here are very knowledgeable on this subject and wish to see tennis in an as clean state as possible (and I salute them for that), but to assume the players themselves possess this knowledge is overly cynical in my opinion.
This.

It'd be pure cynicism to assume Djokovic should know that stuff.
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Let me explain this way. In these HD days of our time, there are technologies we aren't even aware of and you can hide shit. Now, if they really want to find out something they already don't know they wouldn't need Djokovic to tell them what to do. They are practically invited in every sphere of a player's life, private or professional, and could bump up while banging their wife just to say 'hi'. Hell, nowadays they even know how to make gold out of mercury in nuclear reactors, but the process is still too expensive. So no one can convince me that something can't be done.
Man, I dunno what the fuck you're talking about.

If you're saying that the ATP/ITF doesn't need Djokovic to tell them that their testing is crap - well no shit, Sherlock. I'm saying that if players like Djokovic came out and said it in press conferences, it would make the debate headline news and put some pressure on them to do something about it.

Half the reason dope testing in tennis is so bad is because ITF/ATP have successfully perpetuated the misconception that their testing is a lot more effective than it is. 90% of tennis fans have no idea how out of date the system is. All they know is that ITF says it does a lot of testing, and there are very few tennis players caught. Therefore they assume that tennis is clean.
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Not really sure they are invited into every sphere of the players life. Top players are VERY much insulated against most stuff.
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This.

It'd be pure cynicism to assume Djokovic should know that stuff.
It's pure naivety to assume he doesn't.

We're not talking about obscure, highly specialist knowledge here. The deficiencies in the tennis testing regime are well documented. They just don't get a lot of attention in the media.
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...as do the posters on here, and they can be published as long as they adhere to the forum rules.

Stop being so precious - this is an interesting and relevant discussion.
It has nothing to do with being precious and I will voice my opinion on your opinion as well. I am sure this topic is interesting and relevant for you but no one in here knows the least bit of relevant information beyond a few headlines and the usual suspicions and innuendos yet many speak with presumed authority.

The only good thing about these topics is that inevitably a few of the usual suspects get banned.
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