Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc - Page 14 - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

Reply

Old 01-20-2013, 12:34 PM   #196
heya
Senior Member
 
heya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 9,433
heya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond reputeheya has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

How are tennis players being victims of dope suspicions?
The only "victims" are the fans and players who can't accept that Federer WAS humiliated by players who Fed considered were one dimensional and
more powerful and brawny than intellectual.
heya is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 01-20-2013, 01:06 PM   #197
country flag alfonsojose
PERSONAL JESUS
 
alfonsojose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Barranquilla (COL)
Age: 39
Posts: 16,561
alfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond reputealfonsojose has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

off-topic subforum
__________________
"Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another" .. Madonna

Drooling after Schuettler, Bolelli, Volandri, Starace (short haired version), ToJo, Tursunov, Alves, Davydenko, Djokovic, Petzschner, Ferrero, Simon, Qureshi
alfonsojose is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 01:15 PM   #198
country flag Fujee
Registered User
 
Fujee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,330
Fujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonsojose View Post
off-topic subforum
This deserves to be in GM. People need to see this.
__________________
Genius is not replicable. Inspiration, though, is contagious, and multiform — and even just to see, close up, power and aggression made vulnerable to beauty is to feel inspired and (in a fleeting, mortal way) reconciled.

David Foster Wallace
Fujee is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 01:20 PM   #199
country flag Corey Feldman
Banned!
 
Corey Feldman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 95,413
Corey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond reputeCorey Feldman has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Armstrong = cheat

Djokovic = points to ball mark being out when its in, to win matches
Corey Feldman is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 04:02 PM   #200
country flag Fishnet
Banned!
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 263
Fishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by zebedee View Post
What has really become clear to me, in everything that has emerged about the cycling debacle and the knock-on effect this has had on other sports, is that the ITF anti-doping programme has been largely exposed as a fig leaf. Nowhere in the ITF's anti-doping mission statement does it state an intention to catch dopers. That is evidently NOT their objective. They see their prime mission as protecting the 'integrity' of tennis. That means little more than providing a semblance of testing while looking the other way. It's regarding the problem as something that can be managed purely as a public relations exercise.

When you think about it, why would a sports governing body set out to catch dopers anyway? It's almost a total contradiction in terms. If there's one lesson these organisation have learned from cycling, it would be that catching serious dopers spells chaos and problems for the sport itself, so why rock the boat?

I suspect there have been some quiet warnings issued to certain players in recent months, particularly those who are known to have used the services of cycling's notorious doping doctors. Rather than simply issue a tame press release warning players to keep away from one of the doctors exposed by the USADA report into Lance Armstrong, had the ITF really wanted to catch tennis dopers they would have gone about things in an altogether more proactive, investigative way.

In commenting on the Armstrong interview yesterday, Federer remarked that 'these are not fun times to be in sports really to a degree', realising presumably that suspicions of doping are falling onto all athletes generally.
Perfect.

And as ITF/ATP aren't doing anything about it, clean players are now suspects.
Fishnet is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 04:08 PM   #201
country flag Fishnet
Banned!
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 263
Fishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond reputeFishnet has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by atennisfan View Post
Lance Armstrong was never tested positive despite hundreds of tests.

No east german swimmer was tested positive during the 70s 80s.

No chinese swimmer was tested positive during the 92 olympics and 94 worlds.

Marion Jones was never tested positive.

So people who assumed they were on drugs were extremely cynical?

Not to mention that Armstong, chinese swimmers, jones, etc got OOC tested FAR MORE OFTEN than current top tennis players. So we are not allowed to be cynical just because drug testing in tennis is very lax?
Those are very nice points.

Anyone suspicious of doping is always scorned for years and years until the truth shows up. By this time, however, it's too late. Dopers have defeated clean players and taking their titles away doesn't do justice to the sport.
Fishnet is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 04:13 PM   #202
country flag selyoink
Registered User
 
selyoink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Age: 28
Posts: 3,853
selyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond reputeselyoink has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Incomprehensible to me that people could think tennis is a relatively dope free sport. It may never be exposed because ITF has no reason to self-sabotage its own sport by exposing how rampant doping almost certainly is. Would bring down the mens game for sure for quite a few years. Don't know about the womens game but they can't hit inside the lines doping or not anyway.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Death
i add value to mtf. mtf needs me far more than i need mtf. i have even been offered money (a small monthy salary) to hang out and chill at a couple of other forums.
selyoink is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 05:33 PM   #203
country flag Commander Data
Registered User
 
Commander Data's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: XR-17
Posts: 10,053
Commander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond reputeCommander Data has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

I don't really understand why my post was deleted I just stated my opinion.
I formulate it more general. I believe most top athletes are doped, There are so many ways these days to support yourself with some techniques or substances that might not even yet be illegal. history shows that most people cheat if they can or in other words do whatever it takes to win. Specifically I do not believe that tennis players can run for 5-6 hours on bananas alone.
__________________
"You cannot be a number one in the world and be a good loser"

- Magnus Carlsen
Commander Data is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 05:49 PM   #204
country flag NID
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,824
NID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond reputeNID has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Data View Post
I don't really understand why my post was deleted I just stated my opinion.
I don't really understand why the deletion was not accompanied with a ban.
NID is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 05:51 PM   #205
country flag afterglows
Registered User
 
afterglows's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Paris
Age: 31
Posts: 1,153
afterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

The people behind djokovic egg pod said it may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping.
If it is true, it seems a little hypocritical from Nole to have such hard words on Armstrong (saying he as to suffer for what he has done). Because that would mean he is given twice the advantage Lance had.

I'm not going to defend Lance, the guy is a cheat and a bully. But during his interview he said that he didn't feel like a cheat because every one in the TDF peloton had access to the same doping method. Of course his argument is not valid in my eye, but if we put it in the tennis perspective, I'm pretty sure not all tennis player can afford the same technology 75000$ as the world #1.
__________________
Gasquet ● Thiem ● B.Baker ● Soderling ● Wawrinka ● Dolgopolov ● Federer ● Goffin ● Sijsling ● Youzhny ● Gulbis ● Mahut ● Brown ● F.Mayer ● Tomic

_____________________
~♠ Gasquetaires ♠~
un pour tous, tous pour un
‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾
afterglows is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 05:54 PM   #206
country flag Fujee
Registered User
 
Fujee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,330
Fujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Why is speculation even a banning offence? It seems completely totalitarian and orwellian to delete comments which are opinions.
__________________
Genius is not replicable. Inspiration, though, is contagious, and multiform — and even just to see, close up, power and aggression made vulnerable to beauty is to feel inspired and (in a fleeting, mortal way) reconciled.

David Foster Wallace
Fujee is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 05:55 PM   #207
country flag janko05
Registered User
 
janko05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,799
janko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by afterglows View Post
The people behind djokovic egg pod said it may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping.
If it is true, it seems a little hypocritical from Nole to have such hard words on Armstrong (saying he as to suffer for what he has done). Because that would mean he is given twice the advantage Lance had.

I'm not going to defend Lance, the guy is a cheat and a bully. But during his interview he said that he didn't feel like a cheat because every one in the TDF peloton had access to the same doping method. Of course his argument is not valid in my eye, but if we put it in the tennis perspective, I'm pretty sure not all tennis player can afford the same technology 75000$ as the world #1.
Ask yourself do you really know what are you talking about
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueclay
Werent you a rafa fan ? But you keep talking about "its your title nole", shame on you..,
janko05 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 06:02 PM   #208
country flag afterglows
Registered User
 
afterglows's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Paris
Age: 31
Posts: 1,153
afterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond reputeafterglows has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by janko05 View Post
Ask yourself do you really know what are you talking about
My formulation was not good.

But blood doping and the egg pod have both the same purpose: improving recovery. Right?
__________________
Gasquet ● Thiem ● B.Baker ● Soderling ● Wawrinka ● Dolgopolov ● Federer ● Goffin ● Sijsling ● Youzhny ● Gulbis ● Mahut ● Brown ● F.Mayer ● Tomic

_____________________
~♠ Gasquetaires ♠~
un pour tous, tous pour un
‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾
afterglows is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 06:15 PM   #209
country flag Time Violation
Slacker
 
Time Violation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mount Sharp
Age: 35
Posts: 11,415
Time Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by afterglows View Post
My formulation was not good.

But blood doping and the egg pod have both the same purpose: improving recovery. Right?
Afaik, the egg is still not banned, and given the price pretty much anyone in top 50 should be able to afford it. If it were really that massively effective, everybody would've using one by now?
__________________
“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
Time Violation is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 06:16 PM   #210
country flag janko05
Registered User
 
janko05's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,799
janko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond reputejanko05 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Djokovic on Armstrong, cycling, doping etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by afterglows View Post
My formulation was not good.

But blood doping and the egg pod have both the same purpose: improving recovery. Right?
So?
You happen to know when was the last time Djokoic entered that stupid thing or you just believe everything you hear here?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueclay
Werent you a rafa fan ? But you keep talking about "its your title nole", shame on you..,
janko05 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios