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Old 01-16-2013, 08:27 PM   #1
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Default WWW. AO R3: Ferrer v.s Baghdatis?

This could be dangerous for ferrer. He's been inconsistent this year so far and while baggy has not been playing lights out himself he's definately the more talented player of the 2 and if he manages to play well he could win this. Some might even argue he should
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Default Re: WWW. AO R3: Ferrer v.s Baghdatis?

I don't see this as a dangerous match. Yes, Baghdatis will have his moments but Ferrer is just too good and will win in straight sets.
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This could be dangerous for ferrer. He's been inconsistent this year so far and while baggy has not been playing lights out himself he's definately the more talented player of the 2 and if he manages to play well he could win this. Some might even argue he should
How in the world can you say Baghdatis is more talented than Ferrer? Ferrer is soon to be the fourth ranked player in the world. How high has Baghdatis gotten, maybe eighth?

I am a fellow Greek--well Baghdatis is Cypriot, so let's say fellow Greek-speaker--but come on, some objectivity here would help.
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How in the world can you say Baghdatis is more talented than Ferrer? Ferrer is soon to be the fourth ranked player in the world. How high has Baghdatis gotten, maybe eighth?

I am a fellow Greek--well Baghdatis is Cypriot, so let's say fellow Greek-speaker--but come on, some objectivity here would help.
Mug post. Bagdathis is far more shotmaking talent than Ferrer. How many Slam finals did Ferrer contest again? I thought so.
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How in the world can you say Baghdatis is more talented than Ferrer? Ferrer is soon to be the fourth ranked player in the world. How high has Baghdatis gotten, maybe eighth?

I am a fellow Greek--well Baghdatis is Cypriot, so let's say fellow Greek-speaker--but come on, some objectivity here would help.
He made a slam final, while Ferrer never had.
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Mug post. Bagdathis is far more shotmaking talent than Ferrer. How many Slam finals did Ferrer contest again? I thought so.
Yes, and Nalbandian is a better shot-maker than Baghdatis. So what? Shot-making is great, but it doesn't define talent all by itself. Overall, Ferrer has had a stronger career than Baghdatis, and that means he's more talented. But I know there are a lot of Ferrer haters here. Probably because of his height.
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Ferrer isnt a very talented player. He is just extremely fit. If Baghdatis had the same fitness as Ferrer he would destroy him easily
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Yes, and Nalbandian is a better shot-maker than Baghdatis. So what? Shot-making is great, but it doesn't define talent all by itself. Overall, Ferrer has had a stronger career than Baghdatis, and that means he's more talented. But I know there are a lot of Ferrer haters here. Probably because of his height.
No. Results and talents are completely different things. If Federer had broken both his legs in 2002 or just never worked hard enough to realize his talent and never amounted to anything, he'd still be more talented than 99,9% of players in tennis history.

It's a moot point though, since Bagdathis reached a Slam final so he has a better career anyway.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:08 AM   #9
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No. Results and talents are completely different things. If Federer had broken both his legs in 2002 or just never worked hard enough to realize his talent and never amounted to anything, he'd still be more talented than 99,9% of players in tennis history.

It's a moot point though, since Bagdathis reached a Slam final so he has a better career anyway.
This "talent" discussion is pretty useless. Just look at their head-to-head. Ferrer leads 3-1. Come on. But Baghdatis is a solid player with great shotmaking ability, and he could beat Ferrer. Totally within the realm of possibility. But I would bet on Ferrer.
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How in the world can you say Baghdatis is more talented than Ferrer? Ferrer is soon to be the fourth ranked player in the world. How high has Baghdatis gotten, maybe eighth?

I am a fellow Greek--well Baghdatis is Cypriot, so let's say fellow Greek-speaker--but come on, some objectivity here would help.
because im talking about raw talent and shot making ability not career achievments. Pretty sure that most would tell you baghdatis has more raw talent and has probably under achieved in his career where as david had definately maximised and maybe even over achieved
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:18 AM   #11
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Ferrer isnt a very talented player. He is just extremely fit. If Baghdatis had the same fitness as Ferrer he would destroy him easily
No he wouldn't. Ferrer's biggest weapon is his mental toughness. The main reason why he has been so successful is because he's mentally very strong. He's so focused during the whole match and every point is like a match point to him. He approaches every match 365 days of the year with this mentality.
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Ferrer in straights, one tiebreak, one close one and one see ya later thanks for coming.
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Hey, earlier I brought up the point that in their H2H Ferrer leads 3-1. It should also be pointed out in fairness, though, that the one win Baghdatis pulled out was at the 2010 Australian Open, a tough five-set win. So Baghdatis can amp up his game in big spotlight events such as the majors. So definitely a tip of the fisherman's cap to him.
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For the argument about if Baghdatis had Ferrer's fitness- well he came from two sets down to beat him in an epic here three years ago

If Marcos plays well he can win. As for who has the better career it's undoubtedly Ferrer. Unlike Berdych, Tsonga etc Baghdatis has not made any TMS finals or come remotely close to winning one and his top 10 stay was very short.
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It would be so nice if Marcos could make QF from this part of the draw. Not holding my breath on him tho.
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