Originally Posted by Sophocles
Murray's H2H against Nadal is marginally worse than Fed's & significantly worse than Djoker's, but it is still better than most players' outside Davydenko, & H2H against Nadal is a relatively unimportant factor. My beef is with the "fools" who are trying to make out Muzza's H2H against Nadal debars him from any Top 4.
I think you are right on a lot of things but the way you went wasn't the correct one so people misunderstood you. Murrays H2H with the top 3 doesn't matter when it comes to top 4 discussion. Currently there are 4 players who could beat eachother at any given moment and Murray is part of that. His game is up there. H2H is important but more important is the talent look at Nole before 2011 his H2H wasn't so good and then he turns it around by working hard, improving and maximizing his talents. Murray has started to do it under Lendl. Just because he has a bad record against Nadal doesn't mean Murray doesn't belong in the top 4. Those H2H stats can be misleading because Murray hasn't played Nadal in nearly over a year and Murray only started to peak since then. In 2009 even when Djokovic was losing in finals, semis I could see him becoming no.1 same with Murray. Took him longer as he's not that strong mentally compared to Djo but it is happening. It's inevitable.