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Old 01-10-2013, 08:50 AM   #16
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People, H2H reflects what happened in the PAST.

Try to forecast what will happen in near future, we know what happened before ffs

Does this stat define Del Potro's future of always losing to Ferrer for ever and ever?

He'd smash him if Pony is as high as QFs and it's safe to say he will be up there, while Ferrer might not.

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When you try to predict the near future you almost always use the knowledge of the recent past. They met 3 times in 2012 (2 on hard) ferrer won them all. Doesn't this sound important for you when analyzing a possible match between them at the AO?
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:54 AM   #17
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When you try to predict the near future you almost always use the knowledge of the recent past. They met 3 times in 2012 (2 on hard) ferrer won them all. Doesn't this sound important for you when analyzing a possible match between them at the AO?
How many times did he lose to fed before beating him 2 times.
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Probably a QF but I'd like to see him reach the SF.
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How many times did he lose to fed before beating him 2 times.
Exeptions do not prove the rule is not useful. We all know Ferrer's 6-2 can turn into 6-3 as well as 7-2, but history suggests 7-2 is more likely. Ferrer is not declining yet, after all. Of course, there are other elements to take into consideration as well, but I can't see any of those indicating a DelPo win is more likely at this time.
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When you try to predict the near future you almost always use the knowledge of the recent past. They met 3 times in 2012 (2 on hard) ferrer won them all. Doesn't this sound important for you when analyzing a possible match between them at the AO?
does "coming back from severe injury that kept him an eternity out of the game" sound important?

does the fact he won him twice pre-injury sound important?

stats are numbers, which make sense when analyzed correctly

in a QF of AO Del Potro would be favorite against Ferrer and i believe he would win.

QF means he passed 4 rounds and is in solid enough form, while his style is one to blow Ferrer off the court, that's all.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:10 AM   #21
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does "coming back from severe injury that kept him an eternity out of the game" sound important?

does the fact he won him twice pre-injury sound important?

stats are numbers, which make sense when analyzed correctly

in a QF of AO Del Potro would be favorite against Ferrer and i believe he would win.

QF means he passed 4 rounds and is in solid enough form, while his style is one to blow Ferrer off the court, that's all.
in a QF against ferrer, ferrer would be the favourite imo. You can't only look at form. Roger is a perfect example of that. In 2009 and 2012 AO's for excample Roger was playing very well, high level but when he plays nadal we know who has the advantage - matchup issues.

Also, they played 3 times in 2012. Del potro gave a lot of trouble to Roger as early as Dubai. Ferrer beat del potro in the WTF, that's end of last year when del potro had already beaten Roger in basel, played great in the olympics defeating djokovic,....

Let's hope they meet in the AO, preferably quarters.

And of course data has to be analysed correctly. If they had only met on clay for example that would tell us little about a match on HC.
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Exeptions do not prove the rule is not useful. We all know Ferrer's 6-2 can turn into 6-3 as well as 7-2, but history suggests 7-2 is more likely. Ferrer is not declining yet, after all. Of course, there are other elements to take into consideration as well, but I can't see any of those indicating a DelPo win is more likely at this time.
This is the keyword - likelihood. We can't predict the future but the data tell us that should they meet in the AO ferrer is more likely to win.
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If Delpo draws Ferrer I'd be soooooooooooo happy. Can't stress enough how delicious those 80 minutes of tennis will be
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:21 AM   #24
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If Delpo draws Ferrer I'd be soooooooooooo happy. Can't stress enough how delicious those 80 minutes of tennis will be
And Ferrer in Roger's half.
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I think it could be a big year for Del Potro - when he is at the top of his game he can be unbeatable
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I think it could be a big year for Del Potro - when he is at the top of his game he can be unbeatable
and when is that exactly?4-5 sets over the period of his career.
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Before the new time violation rules, I'd say a pretty good chance.

After the new time violation rule, SF at best.
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People, H2H reflects what happened in the PAST.

Try to forecast what will happen in near future, we know what happened before ffs

Does this stat define Del Potro's future of always losing to Ferrer for ever and ever?

He'd smash him if Pony is as high as QFs and it's safe to say he will be up there, while Ferrer might not.

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The only reason Del Potro is hyped is because of the past.
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I dont think he can beat Djokovic or Murray right now but if he gets Ferrer and Federer in his half he could get to the Final and then lose...But i guess he'll end up in Murray's quarter and lose to him in QF.
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Del potro has been improving little by little. I think he is now very close to top4 level and could very well win a slam again if all falls in to place. But historically he has never done really well at the AO so I think that slam would be unlikely. I say semi final. so beats one of the top4.

I hope he will be in Murrays quarter. long time they meet.
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