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View Poll Results: Should there be TT tournaments (futures) in November & December?

No, December & the final week(s) of November should be the TT off-season (current rule). 35 53.03%
Yes, there should be futures in November & December. 31 46.97%
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Old 11-27-2013, 06:44 PM   #1
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Default TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

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Should there be TT tournaments (futures) in November & December (after the challenger season is over - usually the 3rd week of november)?
- Option 1: No, December & the final week(s) of November should be the TT off-season (current rule).
- Option 2: Yes, there should be futures in November & December.



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TT Changes 2014 (Poll 4) - Davis Cup: points & nationality changes
TT Changes 2014 (Poll 5) - Futures: ranking points

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Old 11-28-2013, 04:28 AM   #2
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

I don't know how to vote here. If the TTs at the end of the year were like the regular season, I would vote yes. But I don't like all these RR TTs
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Old 11-28-2013, 04:53 AM   #3
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I don't know how to vote here. If the TTs at the end of the year were like the regular season, I would vote yes. But I don't like all these RR TTs
I'm quite sure that if the season is increased it will be with the standard tournament formulas. And there is no RR future.
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:15 AM   #4
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

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I don't know how to vote here. If the TTs at the end of the year were like the regular season, I would vote yes. But I don't like all these RR TTs
Yes RR only is for offseason exhibitions. If season is extended the tournaments will have standard schedule.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:16 AM   #5
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

Quite honestly I do not get this. I probably miss something. I do understand that some want to have a rest, but why do they want to prohibit the others to play?
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:48 AM   #6
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I mean I have serious problems with the poll itself. Just imagine that 60% of the German population prefers bear and 40% vine. If there was the following poll:

1 All German have to drink bear
2 All German have to drink vine

then you would simply prohibit the vine consumption. I might be too liberal, but why cant the others drink vine if I like beer (and vica versa).


This poll (should have beena three way poll, if Board insist to have poll at all)

- I dont want off-season
- I wont play off-season, but I dont want to stop others to play
- I definately want off season

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Old 11-28-2013, 09:04 AM   #7
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I mean I have serious problems with the poll itself. Just imagine that 60% of the German population prefers bear and 40% vine. If there was the following poll:

1 All German have to drink bear
2 All German have to drink vine

then you would simply prohibit the vine consumption. I might be too liberal, but why cant the others drink vine if I like beer (and vica versa).


This poll (should have beena three way poll, if Board insist to have poll at all)

- I want off-season
- I wont play off-season, but I dont want to stop others to play
- I definately want off season
It could have done well with even more alternatives. In the original changes thread there were several who wanted to play longer, but still have a (shorter) off season.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:46 AM   #8
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

Valac's Exhos have proved there is a definite demand for some form of TT in November at least. If he continues organizing tournaments in December and players continue entering them, that seems to me to provide a better answer than any poll.

The only slight hesitation is whether enough managers will come forward if this is to form part of the regular season. If points are at stake there may well be even more entries.
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

Are there enough managers for the 3 exhos right now?

The question is not the demand. If it goes for points then 3 tourneys in November and two in december will definately be filled. The question is wheteher the Board want to justify the demand or the players who do not want to play allow the others to play.

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Old 11-28-2013, 09:56 AM   #10
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

I pretty much see it the same way as Laszlo does
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:18 PM   #11
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I'm quite sure that if the season is increased it will be with the standard tournament formulas. And there is no RR future.
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Yes RR only is for offseason exhibitions. If season is extended the tournaments will have standard schedule.
Thanks to you both for your answers and I have voted I don't see how one group of players could stop another group from playing? No one has to play TT every week it is purely up to the individual player IMHO.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:50 AM   #12
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

I made a mistake when I vote for this I wanted to vote Yes instead of not I don't know if you can count my vote in the right option
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I made a mistake when I vote for this I wanted to vote Yes instead of not I don't know if you can count my vote in the right option
I hope that somehow can be changed. I just found out for myself very recently how easy it is to make that type of mistake. And I believe like me afterwards you probably thought how in the world did I make a mistake like that?!
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I made a mistake when I vote for this I wanted to vote Yes instead of not I don't know if you can count my vote in the right option
i also change my vote to YES here (after some thoughts), if possible
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Default Re: TT Changes 2014 (Poll 6) - TT off-season: tournaments in November/December

No. Awarding points effectively forces people who want a break to play. It's not like futures are awarding little to miniscule points on TT, they are worth quite some points because of the claim "predicting futures are actually not easier than tour tournaments."

If you make these non-Challenger tournaments not count for WTF or award less points then probably do able.
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