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Old 02-15-2013, 10:45 PM   #391
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My Benneteau prediction was right! Hahahaha just realized that. Glad Gilles won, even though it was a little uglier than desired.
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Well, it's nice he's got lucky this season with draws, and he can keep a top-15 status ATM even playing crap tennis, and then better game wise days will come. I think Benny will beat him tomorrow, but I don't know, after all it's Gilles who we are talking about.
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Well, obviously. But thanks for pointing that out anyway.
I'm not being sarcastic. It's the truth. You asked what is he so afraid of and that's the answer. He doesn't believe he can hit the ball like he normally does right now without a greater risk of producing and error. And I mean c'mon. One need look no further than the 4/27 bp conversions to see that lack of confidence is clearly at the heart of the matter. Simon just has no belief in his baseline game right now. His serve, movement and fitness are seeing him through along with some rather fortunate draw openings.
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So I didn't see the Julien/Federer match but I imagine Julien was playing great so it's going to be tough for Simon tomorrow. Unless Julien has a major letdown I see him getting thru to the final unfortunately.
Julien played great. Only at the end of the second set he seemed nervous but after Fed got the break back, he played like he had nothing to lose on Rogers serve and got match points again.
Julien did say he hoped Gilles would get through so at least one French player would make the final.
I do think it's a shame that the last match of the day always gets treated like some inferior match. I could turn the sound on for the last part and there weren't even commentators. And center court is always half empty, they know this, it's the same every year. I always feel like the players who play this match deserve better. They are at an ATP 500 ffs.
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Gilles was the better player the whole match, just choked on the big points. I didn't think he played that poorly except when he got tight. The good thing about Benneteau is he'll give Gilles a target sometimes which should help hone his groundstrokes a little bit. Decent serving again I thought, solid movement. Just needs to work on break point conversion and get a little more confident in going for his shots.
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I'm not being sarcastic. It's the truth. You asked what is he so afraid of and that's the answer. He doesn't believe he can hit the ball like he normally does right now without a greater risk of producing and error. And I mean c'mon. One need look no further than the 4/27 bp conversions to see that lack of confidence is clearly at the heart of the matter. Simon just has no belief in his baseline game right now. His serve, movement and fitness are seeing him through along with some rather fortunate draw openings.
I'm not disagreeing that he has no belief. I mean, it's plain obvious that he hasn't any. But this isn't the first time that he plays with no belief in his career, but it's not often that his groundies is so shitty. I get that with no belief, you don't take any risk, hence, he's hardly hitting those FHDTL or BHDTL at all and pretty much just wait for the other guys to miss. But this is another level of no belief if that's what it is that you are insisting. That he starts playing like a amateur on the baseline and can't even hit a deep ball past the service line. This is the rock-bottom shit stuffs, but seeing that his rest of the game is still here, how is it that the confidence or lack of it only troubled 1 area of his whole game. Do you know what I am saying? Again, not disagreeing that it's not his confidence that's playing trick on him, just don't understand why a specific area seems to be affected more than the other areas?
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To add to what I just said. He's been having those issues that affected his serve so much in the past 6 mths. His serve is normally his weakest point anywya and when confidence goes, usually your weakness got magnified. But he's been serving pretty well by his standard. So another point that's why I don't think confidence is the only issue for the shitty groundies.
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I'm not disagreeing that he has no belief. I mean, it's plain obvious that he hasn't any. But this isn't the first time that he plays with no belief in his career, but it's not often that his groundies is so shitty. I get that with no belief, you don't take any risk, hence, he's hardly hitting those FHDTL or BHDTL at all and pretty much just wait for the other guys to miss. But this is another level of no belief if that's what it is that you are insisting. That he starts playing like a amateur on the baseline and can't even hit a deep ball past the service line. This is the rock-bottom shit stuffs, but seeing that his rest of the game is still here, how is it that the confidence or lack of it only troubled 1 area of his whole game. Do you know what I am saying? Again, not disagreeing that it's not his confidence that's playing trick on him, just don't understand why a specific area seems to be affected more than the other areas?
You're guess is as good as mine. I imagine it's just that that is where his lack of confidence is currently hitting his game the hardest.
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But anyway, we can argue all day and it'll still be speculating the issue here. So it's rather pointless. Whatever it is, I hope Gilles works it out soon. It's annoying to see him hit his groundies like this.
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To add to what I just said. He's been having those issues that affected his serve so much in the past 6 mths. His serve is normally his weakest point anywya and when confidence goes, usually your weakness got magnified. But he's been serving pretty well by his standard. So another point that's why I don't think confidence is the only issue for the shitty groundies.
I will say this. When you're tight or lacking belief or confidence in your game it can effect various parts of said game. For some players it effects all of their game, but for others, sometimes it effects only certain parts of their game and only at certain points during the match (i.e. break points/set points etc.). Some players lose their good footwork and movement. Some players lose their service rhythm and some people, like Gilles, can't keep or feel like they can't keep the ball in play so they take a lot off of their shots in order to keep the ball in the court. That is my belief as to why Gilles is hitting such soft shots right now. He feels that is what he has to do to keep from making errors. He feels that if he hits the ball harder and goes for his shots, he's going to miss them more than he will make them and he doesn't want to risk it.
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But anyway, we can argue all day and it'll still be speculating the issue here. So it's rather pointless. Whatever it is, I hope Gilles works it out soon. It's annoying to see him hit his groundies like this.
And btw, i'm not arguing with you. I'm just conversing. Arguing is not really my style.
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I'm sure Gilles would disagree with me but I don't think he played so bad. On the big points he certainly held back on his shots but overall, I think it was a good strategy to make Klizan overhit the ball. No use in making silly errors when Klizan was missing a lot. I'm not as disappointed as everyone else.

Also, I'm probably in the minority but I would have rather had him play Federer next. He would have had nothing to lose and could just go for his shots like he usually does and maybe get some more confidence to go for winners. Now against Benneteau he'll be a nervous wreck, I'm not sure he has a better chance against Benny than he would have had against Fed.
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I will say this. When you're tight or lacking belief or confidence in your game it can effect various parts of said game. For some players it effects all of their game, but for others, sometimes it effects only certain parts of their game and only at certain points during the match (i.e. break points/set points etc.). Some players lose their good footwork and movement. Some players lose their service rhythm and some people, like Gilles, can't keep or feel like they can't keep the ball in play so they take a lot off of their shots in order to keep the ball in the court. That is my belief as to why Gilles is hitting such soft shots right now. He feels that is what he has to do to keep from making errors. He feels that if he hits the ball harder and goes for his shots, he's going to miss them more than he will make them and he doesn't want to risk it.
True.
Whatever it is, he's aware of his problem, he'll resolve it at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. And he didn't hit like an amateur, I exaggerated just to get the point thru. He was actually better that the last time I watched him, which was in Montpellier against Davi, horrible ground game in the first set for absolutely no reason.

And getting rid of Tutu to force himself to not take his frustration out at his box is also not working. Maybe he should tell his ppl to not sit at the box at all so he can't direct his frustration to anyone. Not sure if that would help him though. Oh well.

Benny will be very tough, considering where Gilles' game at. Benny is full of confidence, he was very happy about his game after beating Hanescu, so I can bet how much a confidence boost it is for beating Fed here. The last time they played, Benny beating Gilles at AO 2012, Benny said it was the best match he played thus far (probably it's now replaced by this win today). I think beating Gilles it's always Benny's pleasure (bcos they did have a little bit of a rift back then). But anyway, Benny will be in full force, Gilles will really need to up his game somewhat to overcome Benny if he wants to win.

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And btw, i'm not arguing with you. I'm just conversing. Arguing is not really my style.
Sorry, I don't really mean arguing. It's a healthy discussing. I like this kind of discussing btw. Discussing with myself usually don't go anywhere. It's great to hear someone else' opinion.
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Also, I'm probably in the minority but I would have rather had him play Federer next. He would have had nothing to lose and could just go for his shots like he usually does and maybe get some more confidence to go for winners. Now against Benneteau he'll be a nervous wreck, I'm not sure he has a better chance against Benny than he would have had against Fed.
I'm with you on this. I don't want him to play Benny at all. I know he's going to get very nervous tomorrow playing another Frenchie.
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