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Old 12-15-2012, 06:25 PM   #31
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In Norway a madman believing he's a Templar knight or similar kind of crap killed over 70 people, I'm sure you're familiar with that. There will be always mad people, but guns should never be readily available.
A terrorist can always buy weapons illegally. He also bought manure to build a bomb. Are you saying we should ban manure?
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Just tragic. My thoughts are with all concerned.
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Is America the only country where such open shoot outs occur? What about Norway?
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Is America the only country where such open shoot outs occur? What about Norway?
No, but it's where it happens most often.
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No, but it's where it happens most often.
Population of USA also affects to that. I wonder how much more common incidents like this are in USA than in EU if population is taken into account.
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A terrorist can always buy weapons illegally. He also bought manure to build a bomb. Are you saying we should ban manure?
Breivik took great pains and many years to execute his plan. It was probably next to impossible to prevent that. This shooter had a whole arsenal of weapons in his own house, stashed like normal people stash water or toilet papers, all he had to do was stretch his arm. Are you saying you can't notice any difference between those two?

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Instead, what the focus should be is better education on mental problems people face. Supposedly the shooter from yesterday had some mental issues but clearly he wasn't watched too carefully.
He had a house full of guns, semi-automatic rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo at disposal. If you don't see any problem with that, then nothing more to add I guess.
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Population of USA also affects to that. I wonder how much more common incidents like this are in USA than in EU if population is taken into account.
Well the EU is much more populated than the US and 11 of the last 20 massive shootings have taken place in the US.

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No matter what, there will NEVER be a realistic solution that will work out for gun control at least here in the United States were individual states are so torn apart on such issues themselves.

Instead, what the focus should be is better education on mental problems people face. Supposedly the shooter from yesterday had some mental issues but clearly he wasn't watched too carefully. Obviously no one excepts someone to commit such an atrocity even if they are mentally unsound, but I think too many similar people don't get the proper attention when they show signs of obvious trouble.
We understand very little of the human brain and how it works to say that we will be able to make any substantial progress towards detecting and controlling mental illnesses in your and my lifetime(and in the next 100 years). Unless nature endows us with a genetic mutation which turns 10% of earth's population into psychic beings capable of detecting criminal thoughts before the crime occurs (cue Minority Report), we are many generations away from being able to prevent such crimes through psychological evaluation of said future criminals.

It is true that we will never be able to perfectly control the distribution and use of firearms even if effective controls were imposed on society at large, but the data (shown below) shows that there enough correlation between strict control of firearms and homicides and other firearm related deaths, to impose such regulations. No regulation is perfect, but the goal here is not perfection, but minimization of firearm related homicides/suicides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

Firearm-related death-rate per 100,000 population in one year

USA 9.0
France 3.0
Germany 1.10
Australia 1.04
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Breivik took great pains and many years to execute his plan. It was probably next to impossible to prevent that. This shooter had a whole arsenal of weapons in his own house, stashed like normal people stash water or toilet papers, all he had to do was stretch his arm. Are you saying you can't notice any difference between those two?



He had a house full of guns, semi-automatic rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo at disposal. If you don't see any problem with that, then nothing more to add I guess.
No you leftist clown, I can't. A bomb can be made very easily out of household items and you can always buy a gun. All criminals have them, but without a license. Psychos in China and other Asian countries kill people with machetes, knives, acid and poison. Would you ban that as well?
Ban on guns would just leave law abiding people defenseless against criminals and tyrannical governments, and normal Americans know it. That's why they don't give their guns.
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Ban on guns would just leave law abiding people defenseless against criminals and tyrannical governments, and normal Americans know it.
Spare me that pathetic crap. When exactly do you or those law abiding people plan to arm a gun and go against tyrannical goverment(s)?
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Spare me that pathetic crap. When exactly do you or those law abiding people plan to arm a gun and go against tyrannical goverment(s)?
I would never do something like that.
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i can't believe someone would kill elementary schools

time to ban guns, i don't' give a shit about freedom anymore when we have like 5 shootings a year
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He had a house full of guns, semi-automatic rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo at disposal. If you don't see any problem with that, then nothing more to add I guess.
Who said that I don't have a problem with civilians having weapons... That wasn't my point and obviously you can read that in my previous comments. I DO indeed have an issue with civilians carrying weapons, but here in America it will be impossible to control such things. "Rednecks" will always advocate for availability of weapons for all their hunting escapades and whatever, just feeling more "manly" having a weapon on them for self-defense, while many other people are paranoid and will buy weapons for their protection. These people will always have a case to make for lawmakers. And for the hundredth time, no matter how strict gun laws get, a nutcase like that shooter will end up getting a gun somewhere, trust me.

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We understand very little of the human brain and how it works to say that we will be able to make any substantial progress towards detecting and controlling mental illnesses in your and my lifetime(and in the next 100 years). Unless nature endows us with a genetic mutation which turns 10% of earth's population into psychic beings capable of detecting criminal thoughts before the crime occurs (cue Minority Report), we are many generations away from being able to prevent such crimes through psychological evaluation of said future criminals.

It is true that we will never be able to perfectly control the distribution and use of firearms even if effective controls were imposed on society at large, but the data (shown below) shows that there enough correlation between strict control of firearms and homicides and other firearm related deaths, to impose such regulations. No regulation is perfect, but the goal here is not perfection, but minimization of firearm related homicides/suicides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

Firearm-related death-rate per 100,000 population in one year

USA 9.0
France 3.0
Germany 1.10
Australia 1.04
UK 0.22
More than half that number is related to suicides I see, but regardless the way I see it. Stricter gun control will lower those situations that usually involve 1 person shooting another person, but such shootings like yesterday will most likely continue to happen in my opinion regardless of the gun laws.

Obviously mental behavior and health is a very difficult field to study and analyze, and there is only so much people can do as it isn't as obvious as a broken leg, but if schools and the government can provide more information on such things and make the public better aware of such a misunderstood topic, people would be more inclined to bring someone like the shooter into some clinic to be properly taken care of.
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Just read on twitter that former ATP CEO Adam Helfant's niece Grace was one of the victims
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So many idiots saying "this could've been prevented if teachers were armed."

Yeah, because that's exactly what we need, more guns in schools
like you said, idiots
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