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Old 11-29-2012, 09:04 PM   #121
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Ok, so it is clear that you don't any clue what you are talking about so I'm not going to waste my time with you any longer. The sad thing that is that I can't even say what I really think of you (because I would get banned immediately) but whatever


so basically your argument is that...you have NO argument?
Unless you are taking shots at Nadull and claiming that he benefits from sun, wind and other elements much more than any other player on tour, consequently shading his tennis skills as well. You do know that indoor conditions usually produce higher quality from every player, don't you?
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It's Nadull's father fault he was born.
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Ok, so it is clear that you don't any clue what you are talking about so I'm not going to waste my time with you any longer. The sad thing that is that I can't even say what I really think of you (because I would get banned immediately) but whatever

Don't waste your breath, Matt. Remember what happened to CD who used to put them back in their rightful place? The coward Federinatards will cry to the Mods like there is no tomorrow.

Let them drown in their own hate. Maybe this will soothe the pain of Federina being bitchslapped left and right by her Master!
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:47 PM   #125
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While that would seem logical for most situations when comparing opposites, it doesn't apply here. For tennis, not sure how those external factors that are taken out gives you an actual disadvantage...sure you don't have the advantage over your opponent when playing outdoors, as like you said, a player would have an advantage over their opponent if they are better at handling conditions, but the opposite doesn't mean that players then has a disadvantage and the other players has an advantage...it just leave them neutral.
It's a relative, not absolute disadvantage. Obviously neither player's game is objectively worsened by the removal of external factors, but one of the players' relative strengths (being better at handling outdoor conditions) is nullified.

The semantics aren't really important here, though. The point is simply that removing certain external factors can affect the matchup between players.
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Are you serious? The number of grass tournaments is piddly compared to either clay or hard courts. There shouldn't be more clay tournaments, there should be less. There should also be less hard court tournaments but more grass.

Check your facts before typing in a public forum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...nts_by_surface
Pretty much agree with all of this. Good post.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:33 PM   #127
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so basically your argument is that...you have NO argument?

I already posted my (reasonable) arguments in this thread. Too bad you missed that.


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You do know that indoor conditions usually produce higher quality from every player, don't you?

For some players, yes. From every player, definitely not.
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It is and you know it.
No, he can only win when top players lose before him then hope the one he faces loses focus due to his rubbish he pulls on court with faking and cheating.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:38 PM   #129
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Uncle Toni... OMG

He should contain himself doing what he's apparently very good at - training his nephew (Rafa, poor bloke, I wonder when or IF he ever finds the spirit/courage to take his own route and kick that disgusting uncle of his to Kingdom Come) - and refrain from opening his mouth whenever asked to do so.

Whether or not Tio Toni's comment's were misinterpreted, he should know better by now. Jerk.
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Purplerer won WTF at 3 different venues

EIGHT finals and counting!
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:49 PM   #131
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Toni should get a lifetime ban for reality disruption
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This is funny

Toni trolling everyone here, just excuses, the Masters has always been indoors. Though I don't like that injury thing about Fed and Nole, that was a bit poor taste, even if a joke.
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WTF on clay would be okay as long as the French Open moves to indoor carpet. Equal trade. How about it, Toni?
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No, he can only win when top players lose before him then hope the one he faces loses focus due to his rubbish he pulls on court with faking and cheating.

Makes sense. That's also why GOAT Federer is his pigeon in H2H.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:15 PM   #135
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"INDOOR SEASON". as though you need a season for INDOORS? the fact that it's indoor means weather affects it not at all so you can have indoor tournaments whenever

just because there is like Shanghai and Paris does not mean it should affect the WTF's surface

you're mistake is you include the Tour Finals WITH a particular branch of tournaments. the World Tour finals are literally the season finale on their own, it's not automatically connected to Paris and such stuff because the dates are closeby
it has been like that for 40 years, and I never thought it would be contested once a new great player (that is Nadal) doesn't manage to win that tournament. Wilander never won it, did he say anything like that ? no ... and in his time it was played on carpet, nothing like nowadays' WTF.

the World Tour Finals is indeed part of an indoor season ... which used to be on carpet (remember Madison Square Garden ), now on hardcourts.

Why is it like that ?

because it's simple and logical, that's all

See that : nowadays' players asked to have the same surface and same ball in all of the tournaments before the WTF (players were less demanding in the old time), if they didn't have that they felt lost and uneasy.

Can you imagine then if the WTF suddenly was on clay after all of previous tournaments being on hardcourts ?

I really don't get all of these comments being said just because Nadal has never won the WTF

As I said, Lendl never whined about grass because he hadn't won Wimbledon : he just tried harder to win it, even skipping Roland-Garros for that.

I couldn't imagine in that time that one day we would have such kind of arguments

I wonder what Lendl may think when he hears such arguments.
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