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Old 11-16-2011, 06:14 AM   #466
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Default Re: Proposal: New WTF Format

Tipsarevic in a Masters Cup will be officially the end of tennis

Semi, or at the very least the final, should be best of 5.
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Hi Guys,

Wouldn't it be great to have a tournament where
- there are no draws, thus completely eliminating the element of luck.
- the top players have to play every other top player, rather than just the player who has landed in his group.

e.g Currently Nadal/Federer are not guaranteed to play against Djokovic/Murray, and vice-versa.

Thus here is what I propose,
- Reduce the number of players that qualify for WTF to 6 (rather than 8)
- For these 6 players, there would be no draws. Each player has to play all 5 other players.
- Then the top 4 winners get to play semifinals (1/4 and 2/3) and then finals.

Thus the winner/finalist would have to play a total of 7 matches (similar to a slam)

The main advantages would be
- there would be no luck or chance as draws are eliminated
- we would get to see guaranteed blockbuster matches irrespective of who reaches the semis or finals

The new format would be about "all top players competing against each other".

The current format is about "top players competing with some of the other top players, and then might or might not compete with other top players"
WTF is supposed to be the playoffs. Not the "regular elite season"

In most sports the season is for all the everyone plays everyone randomness. Nadal vs Djokovic has played 6 times for example. Them having a guaranteed meeting in the WTF means nothing. Also as another poster said 6 participants is to few. Semi and Final from a crop of only 6 players? so you suggest playing all these matches just to sort 2 players away? pointless


My suggestion:

Expand WTF to 16 players. #1-8 is special because they pick their R1 opponent

#1 picks his opponent first (can only pick among 9-16), then #2 picks, #3 and so on

That sets the first rounds.

All matches are played best of 5 sets.

Winner and finalist will only have played 4 matches over best of 5 sets. Could easily have a resting day between matches.

R1-QF-SF-F

Drawback of this suggestion is that it doesn't guarantee that the #1-4 play at least 3 matches. They could crash and burn in the first match. But that's how playoffs should work. You have to be at your best every match and every match is do or die.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:36 AM   #468
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Default Re: Proposal: New WTF Format

Consider if the Top 4 have better winning rates after the first four days of playing.

Code:
            Day 1    Day 2    Day 3    Day 4

Djokovic v. Fish     Berdych  Tsonga   Ferrer
Nadal    v. Berdych  Tsonga   Ferrer   Fish
Murray   v. Tsonga   Ferrer   Fish     Berdych
Federer  v. Ferrer   Fish     Berdych  Tsonga
The above list is based on the top 4 win each of the 4 matches (4-0), basically the higher winning ratio people will be grouped last.

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Day 5

Ferrer   v. Fish     
Tsonga   v. Berdych

Djokovic v. Federer  Murray
Nadal    v. Murray   Federer
Based on winning ratio and schedule them differently. Let's say Djokovic and Murray scored better in Day 5.

Code:
Day 6

Ferrer   v. Berdych
Tsonga   v. Fish

Murray   v. Federer
Djokovic v. Nadal
If Djokovic and Federer scored better in Day 6, then whoever plays Djokovic will be placed last.

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Day 7

Berdych  v. Fish
Ferrer   v. Tsonga

Nadal    v. Federer
Djokovic v. Murray
But I don't think any of the players will be willing to play 7 days.
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Default Re: MTF suggestions to reform the ATP and tennis in general

How about this idea?

Top 10 qualify for the WTF, then the 10 players are placed in 2 groups of 5 players each, the top 4 players in each group crossover to play against the top 4 from the other group for a single elimation knockout stage. the knockout stages from quarterfinals all to the finals is a grueling best of five sets. This way, a player plays at least 4 matches and the potential champion would have to win 7 matches like in a grand slam to win it all.
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Default How would you change the surfaces, balls, etc. if you were in charge?

Here's how I would like to see this thread go. I'll list all of the Slams and the Master's events. You need to:

1) Talk about the court surface as it is right now / as of the last event played.

2) Talk about how it was in the past (perhaps when they "got it right").

3) Talk about the changes you would make that specific court surface for this year

4) Talk about what we could expect from your proposed change (ie, that clown Djokovic would get beat first round if we played the Australian Open on ice with rubber super balls like they did in the mythic 2005 fed/safin match, or whatever).

5) Move to the next event; repeat

Repeat this procedure for proposed ball changes or anything else you want to change.

The idea here is that, you have to know something about the courts, balls, etc being used now. It would really help if you knew something about how things were "in the past". This way, you can make useful relative comparisons. Make useful comments about how slow tournament X should be relative to the rest of the tournaments. How in "the past", it was so great because everything was so perfect. The balance was spot on. Etc.

-Australian Open
-Indian Wells
-Miami
-Monte Carlo
-Madrid
-Rome
-French Open
-Wimbledon
-Canada
-Cincy
-US Open
-Shanghai
-Paris

Finally, for bounus points, talk about how you would change "anything else" (racquets, strings, drug testing, time wasting, anything else you want).

Please, try to make a few intelligent, well thought out comments. I'm sure we'll have plenty of "speed up the courts". Fine. Do you want all courts sped up? How fast? Should they all be the same speed? Should even Cincy be sped up? How fast do we want things? Do we just want to see the biggest servers and biggest one-shot makers winning?

I'm really curious what people want to see? In the past MANY people bemoaned "clay court specialists" and how they couldn't do anything on other surfaces? Do we want to go back to something more like that? Where surfaces are all as different as we can make them?

For even more bonus points, see if you can take into account the fact that the top players are quite adaptive. Think for example of the drubbing Nadal took at US Open 2009 at the hands of Del Potro. Has the surface changed THAT MUCH between 2009 and today? Are players really simply not able to hit through the court anymore? Or is some of it the fact that players learn from past mistkakes an implement new game plans?

Let's see if we get some good over-arching ideas or just the same old garbage. I suspect that most of the posters will not be able to make intelligent relative comparisons based on actual facts (but we'll see.........).
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Make them all clay courts
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Make them all clay courts
Then Nole would dominate everything even more.
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Then Nole would dominate everything even more.
But at least Nadal would still win some tournaments
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1. I would add, or at least made ATP 500 grass court tournament (London, Halle), or Masters 1000 grass tournament to calendar.

2. Compulsory official review (hawkeye) in 1000 (at least 3 courts) and 500 tournaments (hello Memphis) and also on centre courts of 250´s.

3. Better prize money on challengers, players sometimes rather bet on themselves than compete in tournament.

4. Made some changes in tournaments categories - Memphis to 250, Queens(Halle) to 500 etc.

5. Change some 250´s ATP destinations every year to double placed tournaments, especially in tournaments like Zagreb, Bucharest, Casablanca, etc. (for example - Zagreb/Bratislava, Bucharest/Prague or so)

( these ideas was written quickly, clear brainstorming )
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All indoor woodcourts. Replace tennis ball with racquetball ball.
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I'd have every tournament played on sand with balls as heavy as soccer balls.
I'd also compell every right-handed player to play with gloves.
Finally tennis shall be played in unbiaised, fair conditions!!!
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+ decrease the size of the court and somehow incorporate blindfolds.
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i would change them in a way i don't hear a single freaking complaint on surface homogenization from fedfarts.
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Make Wimbledon, Halle & Queens Club ultra fast , so much so that even John Isner and Ivo Karlovic are considered serious threats. I believe the old grass courts, circa 1997, averaged 20mph faster than clay courts.

Make French, Rome, Madrid & Monte Carlo slower than they currently are. At the moment, these clay courts are playing faster than they were 10 years ago.

Make the US Open, Cincy, Canada, Paris & Shanghai play closer to old Wimbledon speeds.

Keep the Australian Open, Miami and Indian Wells the way it is. A few hard courts should be kept where grinders and defenders can actually win.
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Would make them play on ice.
That should make some people happy.
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