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Old 11-07-2012, 07:51 PM   #16
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It's the influence that causes people to fear both weed and hard drugs. Anyone parenting out there would not want their children to be influenced by people with free legal access to any drugs, cigarettes or alcohol. Kids don't always understand the effects, and there is no age limit for kids anyway, as they will always get such things from users. It's the overprotective instinct that would exaggerate the outcome of this vote, and I am calling myself inside this select club.
Regardless of whether or not a substance or drug is legal or illegal, if someone is truly interested, you can easily (yes EASILY) get it even if you are 16. Making it more available and legal would deter many people from being interested. I mean me personally, I didn't give a shit about tasting alcohol because my mom usually had a stash of alcohol in the garage fridge. However, no one smoked cigarettes in our house, so it was certainly intriguing and temping to try. Of course this isn't ALWAYS the case with everyone, but I think it resonates to how a lot of people are. So using such an argument that legalizing it would increase usage and poor judgement is silly. People in the Netherlands for example are not running amok with their drug policies.. Just like alcohol, they will be banned from schools (which they already are anyways regardless), many private areas, and you'll certainly get penalized for doing stupid shit like being under the influence and driving.

Taxation is arguably the biggest benefit. The state governments can create systems where they can gain a very respectable amount of revenue where before they obviously couldn't.

Eventually, and hopefully, many drugs even hard ones become legal. Good way for governments to gain additional revenue, people in the public can understand how to use such things properly and perhaps decreases the drug trade and any bloodshed that comes from such trafficking. Do I think people are going to rage havoc after drugs become so readily available? Hell no, that is what paranoid people exaggerate. Just like with alcohol and cigarettes, plenty of people will avoid those substances, whether for personal or religious reasons. Alcohol injures, destroys, kills and ruins plenty of people's lives every year, yet why aren't people freaking out about that? Cigarettes causes cancer for many individuals as well, but we sure aren't giving a damn about that either. Let all the drugs be legal, living in 1000 shades of grey will only cause more problems.

I personally have tried many kinds of drugs in the past. Not really a huge fan, aside for marijuana once every couple of months, so I really won't get much benefit, but I think legalizing such substances is bound to happen and is really the right path to go.. People who want to do things WILL find a way to get what they want, regardless.. So why not tax it, give people knowledge on safe use, end illegal drug trading, etc?
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I personally have tried many kinds of drugs in the past. Not really a huge fan, aside for marijuana once every couple of months, ?
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Washington state also voted to legalize marijuana! The first time EVER that recreational marijuana use won on public ballot. It's a very important issue, because innocent people are being jailed and have felony records on the basis of something that they should not be prosecuted for unless they are directly putting people in harms' way.

However, given the federal government still views weed distribution and usage as illegal, there is still a long way to go on weed in America:

Voters Ease Marijuana Laws in 2 States, but Legal Questions Remain
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For supporters of legalizing marijuana, it was a historic moment, one that drew comparisons to the end of Prohibition: On Tuesday, voters in Colorado and Washington State made it legal to smoke pot recreationally, without any prescription or medical excuse.

But as Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado cautioned voters on Tuesday night: “Don’t break out the Cheetos or the Goldfish too quickly.”

For one thing, it will be a month before the measures are officially on the books, and longer still before state officials write the rules, tax codes and other regulations creating new state-licensed retail marijuana shops. But the larger, looming problem is a clash with the federal government, which still views marijuana as a Schedule I prohibited substance and has cracked down on states, like California and Montana, that have voted to allow medical marijuana.

In a statement on Wednesday, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Agency said the Justice Department was reviewing the ballot measures and declined to comment directly on how officials would respond to them. But he said the agency’s enforcement of federal drug laws “remains unchanged.” The United States attorneys in Denver and Seattle responded with nearly identical statements, offering no clue on whether they would sue to block the measures from being put into effect.

It is a murky landscape now, one that potentially pits voters who supported President Obama and legalization against the president’s own Justice Department. In 2010, weeks before California voted on an unsuccessful initiative to legalize marijuana, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that authorities would still aggressively prosecute marijuana laws.

But that has not always been the case. In Colorado, the federal government has largely allowed the state-regulated medical-marijuana industry to operate, and supporters said they hoped the government would take a similar laissez-faire stance as the new laws took effect.

“I don’t see D.E.A. agents sweeping into Colorado and Washington and enforcing drug laws that were previously enforced by local agencies,” said Norm Stamper, a former Seattle police chief who campaigned for the Washington measure despite a personal preference for dry martinis over pot brownies. “It would be extremely poor politics. The will of the people has been expressed.”

Although elected officials, parents’ groups and top law enforcement figures opposed the measures, they nevertheless won support with voters who saw little harm with regulating marijuana similarly to the way alcohol is. Colorado’s marijuana law passed with 54 percent support, and Washington’s with 55 percent.

Colorado and Washington are among 18 states with medical marijuana laws, but they become the first in the nation to approve the use for recreational purposes. A similar measure in Oregon failed on Tuesday.

As soon as the laws are certified, it will be legal under Colorado and Washington law for adults 21 years and older to possess up to an ounce of marijuana. In Colorado, people will be able to grow as many as six plants. In Washington, users will have to buy their marijuana from state-licensed providers.

“They can’t arrest you for it, and they can’t seize it,” Mr. Stamper said. “It’s yours.”

The measures will also set up regulations for industrial hemp, a fibrous plant that contains traces of the main psychoactive chemical in marijuana.

The laws do not allow people to light up in public, and cities and counties will be able to block marijuana retailers, in much the same way that blue laws have restricted alcohol sales for decades. And it remains illegal to drive a motor vehicle while high on the drug.

Supporters say the laws will end thousands of small-scale drug arrests while freeing law enforcement to focus on larger crimes. They estimate that taxing marijuana will bring in millions of dollars of new revenue for governments, and will save court systems and police departments additional millions.

Opponents warned that the law — despite its 21-year age minimum — would set Colorado and Washington on a collision course with the federal government and encourage teenagers to use marijuana.

It is still unclear how much will change. The streets here in Denver and across Colorado are already lined with shops, their windows decorated with green crosses and pot leaves, advertising all-natural plant treatments and herbal health aids.

“Coloradans are accustomed to having this stuff above ground, supervised by state authorities and having it regulated,” said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which supported legalization.

To advocates, the real power of the measures’ passage may be that they signal a change in the way voters think about drugs and drug policy in the United States.

Brian Vicente, a leading campaigner for the Colorado initiative, summed it up this way: “It’s a historic one, man.”
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Massachusetts also legalized medical marijuana. Oregon's marijuana legalization initiative failed.

The marijuana=drug mentality is still strong and as a result, this is an issue that won't be resolved for a long while.
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I don't believe you. People who are 'fans' of drugs do it surely thrice a week. To control yourself for two months...ah... you are lying.
You know marihuana is not addictive, don't you? So what kind of control are you talking about?
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Regardless of whether or not a substance or drug is legal or illegal, if someone is truly interested, you can easily (yes EASILY) get it even if you are 16. Making it more available and legal would deter many people from being interested. I mean me personally, I didn't give a shit about tasting alcohol because my mom usually had a stash of alcohol in the garage fridge. However, no one smoked cigarettes in our house, so it was certainly intriguing and temping to try. Of course this isn't ALWAYS the case with everyone, but I think it resonates to how a lot of people are. So using such an argument that legalizing it would increase usage and poor judgement is silly. People in the Netherlands for example are not running amok with their drug policies.. Just like alcohol, they will be banned from schools (which they already are anyways regardless), many private areas, and you'll certainly get penalized for doing stupid shit like being under the influence and driving.

Taxation is arguably the biggest benefit. The state governments can create systems where they can gain a very respectable amount of revenue where before they obviously couldn't.

Eventually, and hopefully, many drugs even hard ones become legal. Good way for governments to gain additional revenue, people in the public can understand how to use such things properly and perhaps decreases the drug trade and any bloodshed that comes from such trafficking. Do I think people are going to rage havoc after drugs become so readily available? Hell no, that is what paranoid people exaggerate. Just like with alcohol and cigarettes, plenty of people will avoid those substances, whether for personal or religious reasons. Alcohol injures, destroys, kills and ruins plenty of people's lives every year, yet why aren't people freaking out about that? Cigarettes causes cancer for many individuals as well, but we sure aren't giving a damn about that either. Let all the drugs be legal, living in 1000 shades of grey will only cause more problems.

I personally have tried many kinds of drugs in the past. Not really a huge fan, aside for marijuana once every couple of months, so I really won't get much benefit, but I think legalizing such substances is bound to happen and is really the right path to go.. People who want to do things WILL find a way to get what they want, regardless.. So why not tax it, give people knowledge on safe use, end illegal drug trading, etc?
exactly my thoughts, and too provide some contrast in lifestyles, I am someone who has not used drugs once in his life, nor did I ever smoke even one cigarette.

The Netherlands is actually messing up their drug policies the last few years. The laws get more and more confusing and annoying, which has ofcourse led to an increase in illegal drug-trafficking. The government could just make money of drugs by taxing, while simultaneously reducing crime rates, costs of imprisonment, and the workload of the cops.

As I said before, the idea that people will start using drugs like mad when it is legal is stupid and completely unrealistic.
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Honestly I probably would have not voted for it without the 40$ million to our schools piece.

Jverweii I agree. Someone drinks 10 shots of tequila, goes out driving, causes accident. Man drinks heavily abuses wife.

Smokes 10 bowls of weed, eats food, falls asleep. Drives, while under the influence, goes to McDonalds. Or never makes it out of drive way.

Yeah I agree, self control is the golden rule. Plus weed doesn't really damage anyone as far as I know.
I agree that alcohol and prescription pill abuse is the biggest drug issue in the U.S.

Your story is cute, but it doesn't comport with reality. People who are intoxicated from marijuana also cause traffic accidents. They are fewer because fewer people ingest marijuana than alcohol.
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You know marihuana is not addictive, don't you? So what kind of control are you talking about?
It's too sweeping to say marijuana isn't addictive. Some people become dependent on marijuana. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...uana-addictive

It's like people saying meth isn't addictive. Well, it isn't in the classic sense, but most people form a dependence.

Thankfully one is less likely to form a dependence on marijuana and it is far less harmful to the body than meth.
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You are overreacting. Please read the post I was replying to and see my reply in its light.
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