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Old 11-06-2012, 03:38 PM   #46
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Nadal needs to rest his body until he is 30 and Djokovic/Murray has wore their bodies down. 2016-2018 he can then go back to beat 35+ Federer in slam finals and start Fedal era 2.0 and together they can make a fool out of Tomic, Raonic, Harrison and the rest of the next era "superstars".
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:39 PM   #47
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We have no idea what Nadal will be like when he returns. He may be playing better than ever, who knows.

He will probably schedule better in the future though, so taking no 1 will likely be difficult for him to acheive against the younger, healthier generation.
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Australian Open: QF. 4RD exit or earlier is possible, he's rusty and never plays well here

Wimbledon: 4RD/QF. SF/F if things go his way with the draw. he is still a better grass court player than djokovic and murray, though murray is catching up.

Us Open: QF, early exit possible. shouldn't put too much focus on this, he has one already, the one he needed for the collection
We don't know whether he can return playing at the same level, but if he does, these predictions are very pessimistic (assuming you want the best for him).

AO: last 4 results (W, QF, QF, F). Seems more reasonable to suggest he is huge favourite to reach at least the SF if he is fit.

Wimbledon: Last 4 results (W, W, F, 2R). Not sure what to make of the Rosol match but assuming no more freak results, Nadal should be favourite against everyone but Djokovic here in latter stages (always favourite vs Federer now, 3-0 record vs Murray, 1-0 record vs JMDP).

US Open: Last 4 results (SF, SF, W, F). Predicting anything less than a SF here is inexplicable considering his recent record.

It's easy to predict Nadal to lose early when far away from an event, but people forget how difficult it actually is to do. Nadal is 57-2 against the rest of the tour (not Djokovic) since AO '10. That includes wins against Federer, Murray, JMDP, Berdych, Ferrer (one defeat to him also). So, realistically, betting against him in a grand slam if his opponent isn't Djokovic makes little sense unless this injury has permanently effected him. Many people seem to be talking as if Nadal has declined seriously, but his results in grand slams have never been more consistent. There are only two differences between 2010 and 2011-2012, one is Novak Djokovic, the other is the freak performance by Rosol. As for Novak, that's a problem for Nadal, but shouldn't be a reason to start predicting 4R and QF defeats. As for Rosol, it can be interpreted many ways, but to imo, it really was just a freak performance, out of Nadal's hands. He has played worse than that to win early rounds in Wimbledon before, just got unfortunate with an on fire opponent.
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Yes.
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he is retired from tennis for ever, how could he? bye Nadull
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Impossible to answer without seeing how he comes back. If he returns playing well, then yes he has a big chance. There's no reason to believe he cannot bag up to 5000 points during the clay season. If he does that, and is fit enough to play almost all the big events, then he has a real chance.
Wow...5000 points? That's not something he does every year. This is his point on clay the last eight years:

2012: 4590 points
2011: 4700 p
2010: 5000 p
2009: 3280 p (only year someone outscored him, Federer got more)
2008: 4510 p
2007: 5100 p (adjusted to present ranking system)
2006: 4500 p (same)
2005: 6180 p (same)

In 2005, he played not only three tournaments in South America in February, but also Valencia before MC and Båstad & Stuttgart after Wimbledon. This is perhaps what you envision for 2013 also?
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Wow...5000 points? That's not something he does every year. This is his point on clay the last eight years:

2012: 4590 points
2011: 4700 p
2010: 5000 p
2009: 3280 p (only year someone outscored him, Federer got more)
2008: 4510 p
2007: 5100 p (adjusted to present ranking system)
2006: 4500 p (same)
2005: 6180 p (same)

In 2005, he played not only three tournaments in South America in February, but also Valencia before MC and Båstad & Stuttgart after Wimbledon. This is perhaps what you envision for 2013 also?
4500 seems to be a minimum consistent score for him without playing any additional tournaments (just 3 1000's, Barcelona and RG). He has achieved this much 6 of the last 7 years. It is a fair prediction to say he will score that much from those tournaments, and he will be overwhelming favourite in any other 250's or 500's he plays. If he plays at least two (I can't remember his commitments right now, what's he scheduled to play?), that's 5000 points. It may well not happen, one of these years Nadal's going to lose some more matches on clay, but will it be next year? There's no good reason to think it will imo, 2012 was as dominant as he's ever been on red clay, just one dropped set all season.
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Wow...5000 points? That's not something he does every year. This is his point on clay the last eight years:

2012: 4590 points
2011: 4700 p
2010: 5000 p
2009: 3280 p (only year someone outscored him, Federer got more)
2008: 4510 p
2007: 5100 p (adjusted to present ranking system)
2006: 4500 p (same)
2005: 6180 p (same)

In 2005, he played not only three tournaments in South America in February, but also Valencia before MC and Båstad & Stuttgart after Wimbledon. This is perhaps what you envision for 2013 also?
In 2009, Nadal had the most points on tour for hardcourts
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In 2009, Nadal had the most points on tour for hardcourts
Sorry, no he didn't. He scored 5925 points on HC. Djokovic scored 6060. But you're right in so far as he had most countable points - Djokovic counted only 5880 due to playing ATP 250s also on other surfaces.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:58 PM   #55
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Will heavily depend on his from starting from the clay season. I think if he fails to have at least moderate success, then you can truly say good bye for the rest of the year for him.. I mean look at how he was affected in 2009 after losing to Soderling. Yes, he was away from the game for the issues he had or whatever afterwards, but he couldn't do shit until the clay season of 2010. I mean mentally he was just pretty poor. He heavily relies on that confidence gained from the clay season to propel himself for Wimbledon and USO, afterwards the indoor/spring hardcourt season is really a toss-up for him. But really, he will most likely dip to number 5 pretty quickly at the beginning of next year as Ferrer is very close to overtaking him, and then if he is unable to keep his points on clay, it would be very difficult to see him coming back to the top of the sport.

As several mentioned though, it is not a big deal for his career. He will most likely pick up a couple more slam titles and on clay he will naturally be the favorite. However, this is certainly all speculation since we have no idea exactly when he will be back and looking at past results, he always struggles for a few months when he comes back, but even if he fails to make any progress during the beginning of the year, it won't mean anything until we see his form on clay. If he wins on clay, we can expect more "normal Rafa" years. If he doesn't, well, kind of hard to see him continue to be a top player.
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We thought it was all over in 2009, but look what happened in 2010.

Similarly, we think it's all over in 2012, and he will probably win CYGS in 2013.
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We thought it was all over in 2009, but look what happened in 2010.

Similarly, we think it's all over in 2012, and he will probably win CYGS in 2013.
Why did you think it was over in 2009? I didn't. More sceptical now.
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Nadull got trashed left and right when he came back in 2009 after a 2 months interruption.
Imagine how much he's going to get owned with a 6 monts interruption in 2012!
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Steps is right here, only Djokovic in 2011 has really proven to be able to beat Rafa consistently in slams when he has no major injury problems.

So, if Rafa comes back to top form he should be a big no1 contender.

But still this injury of course isn't a good sign...
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No. Thank God for that.
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