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Old 11-03-2012, 02:10 PM   #61
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Awesome groups

Well deserved for Fed being placed with Murray always.
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What a draw for Federer....just ridiculous He is like what, 40-3 against his group opponents?
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Damn...Wanted Fed with Murray
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Well let's see

1 2 is Fed and Nole, IMO it doesn't really matter which you get (don't think Murray cared that much for example). Both groups even.

3 4 is Murray and Ferrer, obviously Murray is stronger. Group A stronger.

5 6 is Berdych and DelPo, I think Delpo is the stronger player and group B is stronger here.

7 8 is Tipsy and Tsonga, Tsonga obviously the better player but both really non-factor in their current shape. I'll go with group A here but really it should make no difference.

So yeah, group A is stronger but not by a big margin.
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what about Nadal's draws when he was number 2?
Any group at the WTF is hard for Nadalita.
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disgraceful

abusive federer getting his pathetic easy draw as usual

djokovic the best player this year, rewarded with a group of death

powers that be are desperate for federer not to lose his beloved year end championship

murray and tsonga's hopes destroyed in an instant

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the ACTUAL draw is

Djokovic/Murray/Berdych/Tsonga
Federer/Ferrer/del Potro/Tipsarevic
Are you fucking serious. Really now.
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Well let's see

1 2 is Fed and Nole, IMO it doesn't really matter which you get (don't think Murray cared that much for example). Both groups even.

3 4 is Murray and Ferrer, obviously Murray is stronger. Group A stronger.

5 6 is Berdych and DelPo, I think Delpo is the stronger player and group B is stronger here.

7 8 is Tipsy and Tsonga, Tsonga obviously the better player but both really non-factor in their current shape. I'll go with group A here but really it should make no difference.

So yeah, group A is stronger but not by a big margin.
You forget about matchups. In Group A they can all beat each other, no clear matchup issues. While in Fed his group...he eats them all for breakfast...only possibly Delpo might cause a slight problem, but I don't think it will be a big one.
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Wow Fed got lucky but he is so gonna be underprepared for the semis
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Well let's see

1 2 is Fed and Nole, IMO it doesn't really matter which you get (don't think Murray cared that much for example). Both groups even.

3 4 is Murray and Ferrer, obviously Murray is stronger. Group A stronger.

5 6 is Berdych and DelPo, I think Delpo is the stronger player and group B is stronger here.

7 8 is Tipsy and Tsonga, Tsonga obviously the better player but both really non-factor in their current shape. I'll go with group A here but really it should make no difference.

So yeah, group A is stronger but not by a big margin.
Well, Group A has drawn the higher seed from all of those. That's a little ridiculous.

And Tsonga made the final here last year, just saying. I wouldn't write him off completely. He could get hot...
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Well let's see

1 2 is Fed and Nole, IMO it doesn't really matter which you get (don't think Murray cared that much for example). Both groups even.

3 4 is Murray and Ferrer, obviously Murray is stronger. Group A stronger.

5 6 is Berdych and DelPo, I think Delpo is the stronger player and group B is stronger here.

7 8 is Tipsy and Tsonga, Tsonga obviously the better player but both really non-factor in their current shape. I'll go with group A here but really it should make no difference.

So yeah, group A is stronger but not by a big margin.
Berdych is ranked higher and the better this player this year. In fact, all of the higher ranked of the pairs are in Nole's group! Fed would pick 1-6 Del Po over Berdych every damn time.
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the draw is 1, 3, 5 and 7 in one group 2, 4, 6 and 8 in the other (if you remove Nadal and reorder the numbers accordingly). I don't see anything fixed about that, you couldn't really get more balanced. All other arguments are purely subjective.
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Well let's see

1 2 is Fed and Nole, IMO it doesn't really matter which you get (don't think Murray cared that much for example). Both groups even.

3 4 is Murray and Ferrer, obviously Murray is stronger. Group A stronger.

5 6 is Berdych and DelPo, I think Delpo is the stronger player and group B is stronger here.

7 8 is Tipsy and Tsonga, Tsonga obviously the better player but both really non-factor in their current shape. I'll go with group A here but really it should make no difference.

So yeah, group A is stronger but not by a big margin.
Berdych is ranked higher and the better this player this year. In fact, all of the higher ranked of the pairs are in Nole's group! Fed would pick 1-6 Del Po over Berdych every damn time.
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the draw is 1, 3, 5 and 7 in one group 2, 4, 6 and 8 in the other (if you remove Nadal and reorder the numbers accordingly). I don't see anything fixed about that, you couldn't really get more balanced. All other arguments are purely subjective.
How is that balanced? The strongest group possible vs the weakest group possible... Uhm.
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