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Old 10-28-2012, 04:29 PM   #31
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With 2011 year-end rankings in brackets. I'd say only Raonic, Klizan, Goffin, Janowicz and Pella have improved their rankings dramatically.



13 (31) Raonic 21
20 (25) Nishikori 22
29 (117) Klizan 23
43 (95) Paire 23
44 (174) Goffin 21
48 (42) Tomic 20
50 (76) Dimitrov 21
65 (79) Harrison 20
67 (221) Janowicz 21
71 (169) Kuznetsov 21
90 (165) Bedene 23
91 (125) Berankis 22
92 (237) Rufin 22
94 (192) Sousa 23
109 (346) Pella 22
123 (208) Pospisil 22
124 (144) Donskoy 22
131 (166) Delbonis 22
132 (172) Elias 21
137 (81) Stebe 22
144 (182) Ignatik 22
146 (220) Cervantes 22
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It's funny how the phrase "i disagree" have turned into - "That's bullshit"

OK, BS it is, let your comments be the holy truth.

It is one hell of a bad argument, the whole deal about medicine like if 30-year olds would ever stop a young talented player at his early 20s to force his way into the top. Remove Federer, Haas, Davydenko and every other player at their early 30s and you still have players way outside the top at mid 20s like Almagro, Gasquet and Tipsarevic destroying these failed youngsters.
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I think that's just an excuse. Ok, the tour is more physical, and then you have 30+ yr old veterans who suffered more injuries than a pro superbike driver, like Hewitt, Haas, Denko, and even recently Robredo and Pashanski almost all doing better than the bunch of 20 yr olds. Tomic getting tired after one match and so on.
That's because they have plenty of experience in fitness and winning matches as opposed to the youngsters. Tomic gets tired after one match but guys like Ferrero, Hewitt, even after injuries, have plenty of match experience, mental game, so they don't tire easily.
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That's because they have plenty of experience in fitness and winning matches as opposed to the youngsters. Tomic gets tired after one match but guys like Ferrero, Hewitt, even after injuries, have plenty of match experience, mental game, so they don't tire easily.
At 20y/o you should be close to your physical peak. Getting tired after a couple of best of 3 matches is pathetic and no excuse for Tomug who is touted a future dominant force. Unless he plans to compete on the WTA tour in the future, he should man up and devote some time to fitness training, I don't buy it that 30+ year old Ferrer can grind like crazy, while 20y/o Tomug gets "tired". Maybe he picked a wrong career, Darts or chess would be more up his alley.
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I think such a big absence of very good players who are also very young has to be explained by the conjunction of chance and something more. The chance aspect is the simple fact that there don't seem to be any 'exceptional' players in the 19-22 age range right now, which is rare. IMO, it is implausible that a player with the ability of young Hewitt, Safin, Federer, Roddick, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray etc... would be stopped from reaching the top 10 by some fact about the evolution of tennis. I just don't see change to any degree that suggests their abilities would somehow be especially stunted by conditions. On the other hand, such a huge deviation from history seems implausible without some substantive explanation. I'm not sure what the real explanation is, but I do certainly think the 'youngsters are too spoiled' argument which I see here and there is a dreadful one. Unless there is a piece of statistical evidence which points toward a decline of youngsters A) Beginning to learn how to play tennis, or B) Undergoing intensive tennis training once some appearance of 'talent' has been co-located with a high motivation, I don't buy it. I actually think many fans underestimate the degree of desire that many of these players have (including many of the young ones), when it's not there, it shows up far more than when it is there (which is, imo, the more usual attitude of professionals).
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Just fixed the formatting Juraj and will be interesting to see who will make it through. For the most part besides Nishikori, Dimitrov and Tomic the others haven't been massively overhyped. Some try and overhype Harrison .
Wouldn't Milos be in the overhype category?

To address the thread, remember that at the beginning of 2011 Milos was an unknown low ranked player, now he's the top young player in the world, nobody saw it coming that he would be the best young gun, so just letting everyone know that anything can happen in tennis, we just don't know what could be around the corner, who the next Milos will be, so don't say that these young guys aren't/won't be very good.

It's hard for me to say who could be the next Milos or Nishikori, right now for me I like Stebe, when he's on he's quite good indeed, the issue with him is he makes too many errors right now, if he can sort this out he could be a top player.
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That's because they have plenty of experience in fitness and winning matches as opposed to the youngsters. Tomic gets tired after one match but guys like Ferrero, Hewitt, even after injuries, have plenty of match experience, mental game, so they don't tire easily.
I know he's a very naturally gifted athlete but Nadal was winning matches 7-6 in the fifth at 18. Hewit won 19 of the first 20 matches he played in the year he turned 19. I'm not saying the game hasn't become more physical, only that it is totally implausible that an elite athlete emerging now would be unable to cope with the physical demands of the tour. Perhaps they would show greater degrees of tiredness at times, but not such that they couldn't make a splash. This could be shown by winning tournaments, demonstrating technical superiority to players ranked around the 8-15 mark, which imo, the youngsters I've seen certainly haven't done. An example of this would be Gasquet. His combination of skills wasn't necessarily suited to actually becoming a #1 (by skills I mean mental and technical, Gasquet has serious flaws in both areas by world class standards), but still, he demonstrated the quality that a player with obvious top 10 potential can demonstrate. We're getting used to things happening slowly right now, waiting for somebody to develop. The past has bought us lots of players for whom we barely had to wait, they rather forced themselves into the tennis world's spotlight with clear signs of brilliance, beating top 10 players, winning tournaments etc... It is a strange and worrying situation in my opinion.
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Teenagers in ATP rankings

214 Guillherme Clezar (Brazil) - 19 years old
263 Jiri Vesely (Czech Republic) - 19 years old
282 Jason Kubler (Australia) - 19 years old
334 Jozef Kovalik (Slovakia) - 19 years old
335 Taro Daniel (Japan) - 19 years old
340 Benjamin Mitchell (Australia) - 19 years old
341 Dominic Thiem (Austria) - 19 years old
367 Suk Young Jeong (South Korea) - 19 years old
375 Luke Saville (Australia) - 18 years old - first player younger than 19
412 Thiago Monteiro (Brazil) - 18 years old - second player younger than 19
421 Oliver Golding (Great Britain) - 19 years old

Another "under 19" :
451 Adam Pavlasek (Czech Republic) - 18 years old, Petra Kvitova´s boyfriend
554 David Perez Sanz (Spain) - 18 years old

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Kyle Edmund (1995) won a Future last week. I guess he's the first player under 18 to do it (Nishioka lost a final this year also, Quinzi from 1996 did two SFs)
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yeah, you are right congrats kyle
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Edmund is a great prospect. I believe that he will be GB's next big thing.
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Thanks for that post, I will put it in the OP.
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