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Old 10-28-2012, 11:39 AM   #16
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No teens in the top 200? Wow.

So, where are the top teens ranked?
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Teenagers in ATP rankings

214 Guillherme Clezar (Brazil) - 19 years old
263 Jiri Vesely (Czech Republic) - 19 years old
282 Jason Kubler (Australia) - 19 years old
334 Jozef Kovalik (Slovakia) - 19 years old
335 Taro Daniel (Japan) - 19 years old
340 Benjamin Mitchell (Australia) - 19 years old
341 Dominic Thiem (Austria) - 19 years old
367 Suk Young Jeong (South Korea) - 19 years old
375 Luke Saville (Australia) - 18 years old - first player younger than 19
412 Thiago Monteiro (Brazil) - 18 years old - second player younger than 19
421 Oliver Golding (Great Britain) - 19 years old

Another "under 19" :
451 Adam Pavlasek (Czech Republic) - 18 years old, Petra Kvitova´s boyfriend
554 David Perez Sanz (Spain) - 18 years old

Rankings are as of 22.10.2012.
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The more money and technologies enter tennis, the less youngsters will be in top positions.

Nowadays it is absolutely impossible for a teenager to win a slam, what to say for a 17yo as Becker or Chang in the past. But that's just normal imo.

In few years there won't be players under 23 in top 100. And that's also coz players around the top 150 can make a living out of this sport, so they would hang around longer than in the past, without the necessity of big sponsorships.

Anyways, my personal expectation are for Raonic and Nishikori to hang around between the top 20 and top 30 places (same for Dolgo), i expect Dimitrov to join them slowly by the end of next year (my expectation is a top 30 place for him by the end of season 2013), Tomic tbh i can't see him improve dramatically. He had his hype semi season and now he'll have to suffer through the mental part of this situation, which would rather throw him outside the top 100 for some time, rather than make him bounce back directly. After this period he is probably a player worth the top 30 as well, but not before 2014.

I've lost faith for Harrisson, i don't know what is going on with him exactly, but i can't see him doing much next year.

Berankis is on the uphill indeed, he had his slump period (the one that Dimitrov had a year before and the one that Tomic will have now), so perhaps he will work his way up to the top 70 - top 50 with some luck. But he remains a candidate for the top 30 ranking in 2014, maybe this will be the year of these guys. I expect in 2014 to have most of them in top 30 - Raonic, Nishi, Dolgo, Dimitrov, Berankis, Tomic and Paire, maybe also Klizan and Goffin, but tbh i doubt the latter two.

Goffin and Klizan i can't rate yet, they have some flashes but it's too early to really make a forecast about their eventual consistency, at least for me.

Paire is a big talent and he should be there by 2014, yet i expect him rather to follow Tomic's path in 2013, so perhaps a momentary slump.

Janovicz, Kuznetsov - i don't expect anything exciting there.
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I can see Sock winning both Australian Open and Us Open come 2020.
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janowicz is REALLY good. guy is a massive headcase, but when he is on, he has a perfect game and could eat almost anyone. he is not a ballbasher, but nice serve, nice strokes, great hands and dropshots too. very interesting player to follow in the future
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Has technology, physique and money changed so very much in the last five years?

OK, Nadal is a bit unusual by any standards, but Djoko and Murray were top 10 by their 20th birthdays, Del Potro was top 20, Berdych (thought of as extremely erratic at that age) was top 40. Where are our future top ten players?

I can understand it's hard for them to break through at the top, with the big four so dominant, and others at the top playing pretty well, but they aren't even at a level to get into grand slam qualies.

Has the ranking system changed so that it reinforces a status quo, and makes it harder to climb the rankings?
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Has technology, physique and money changed so very much in the last five years?
I think that's just an excuse. Ok, the tour is more physical, and then you have 30+ yr old veterans who suffered more injuries than a pro superbike driver, like Hewitt, Haas, Denko, and even recently Robredo and Pashanski almost all doing better than the bunch of 20 yr olds. Tomic getting tired after one match and so on.
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Only technology breakthrough that has been problematic for youngsters is internet, smartphones, twitter and facebook.
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It's no excuses, it's the reality.

If medicine and technologies were at the 90s - 00s level, there wouldn't be players like Federer, Haas, Davydenko, Benneteau, PHM, Roddick, Stepanek, Melzer, Malisse, Hanescu, Hewitt, etc. who are actually getting wins and are ocupying the places these youngsters would have.

That's 11 guys, which might have meant Raonic and Dolgopolov top 10, just by taking out these guys from the rankings.

And you can't even know what it would be if they weren't playing those last 2-3 years, as those youngsters would accumulate more wins, more self esteem and confidence, more matches, hence experience and routine, etc.

So it's clearly a major factor, not just excuses. You take out those guys and f.e. Dimitrov would play 2 rounds against less good players in Basel (instead of Benneteau and PHM = 5 TBs), Paire wouldn't play Federer in the quarters, but someone else, Bellucci would be among the favs for the tittle, etc.

It has much more impact than you think
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this is so true. fans or followers make them feel they are tennis gods when they have achieved NOTHING, and it is against them sometimes. but oh well, they love it so...
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It's no excuses, it's the reality.

If medicine and technologies were at the 90s - 00s level, there wouldn't be players like Federer, Haas, Davydenko, Benneteau, PHM, Roddick, Stepanek, Melzer, Malisse, Hanescu, Hewitt, etc. who are actually getting wins and are ocupying the places these youngsters would have.
Bullshit, back in the 70s, 80s and 90s we had Rosewall, Gonzalez and Connors playing into their 40s. Today we have no one over 35, the game became thougher with more slow hardcourt and many more players go through forced retirement with ankles, knees and hips destroyed.
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It's no excuses, it's the reality.

If medicine and technologies were at the 90s - 00s level, there wouldn't be players like Federer, Haas, Davydenko, Benneteau, PHM, Roddick, Stepanek, Melzer, Malisse, Hanescu, Hewitt, etc. who are actually getting wins and are ocupying the places these youngsters would have.

That's 11 guys, which might have meant Raonic and Dolgopolov top 10, just by taking out these guys from the rankings.

And you can't even know what it would be if they weren't playing those last 2-3 years, as those youngsters would accumulate more wins, more self esteem and confidence, more matches, hence experience and routine, etc.

So it's clearly a major factor, not just excuses. You take out those guys and f.e. Dimitrov would play 2 rounds against less good players in Basel (instead of Benneteau and PHM = 5 TBs), Paire wouldn't play Federer in the quarters, but someone else, Bellucci would be among the favs for the tittle, etc.

It has much more impact than you think
I see. When medicine and technology were in fact at 90s - 00s level then we saw Sampras winning USO 2002 and Agassi winning AO 2003. Federer was younger winning Wimbledon 2012 then these two were. And what have the other 10 you're listing won recently? Removing them would not get Dolgopolov top 10, it would get him from 21th to 19th. No, think again - your reasoning is faulty.
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It's no excuses, it's the reality.

If medicine and technologies were at the 90s - 00s level, there wouldn't be players like Federer, Haas, Davydenko, Benneteau, PHM, Roddick, Stepanek, Melzer, Malisse, Hanescu, Hewitt, etc. who are actually getting wins and are ocupying the places these youngsters would have.
So, the only thing that separates those guys and the youngsters is medicine and technology? No offense, but that's huge bs.
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It's funny how the phrase "i disagree" have turned into - "That's bullshit"

OK, BS it is, let your comments be the holy truth.

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