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Old 10-21-2012, 04:45 PM   #31
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Kližan is a great player. He's not dedicated like Monaco, Ferrer or anyone else like that, so you can't expect him to win multiple matches every week. I think everyone needs to get realistic with him, he's not going to set the world alight every week!
George you are a legend, this is the kind of fan I respect. You're actually realistic about Klizan!
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:46 PM   #32
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Whom Cilic should beat you to write at least two good words about him?
I was giving him a credit in past when he overcame a good player playing well, just this is happening once per year so you don't have a chance to read it. Even if he isn't such huge mug players like him are bad for the sport. The guy was in top 10, for years he is in top 20 without reaching single one Masters 1000 semifinal. Then look at this year,he is close to top 10 with just only one mentionable win against Isner in Madrid which at the moment when happened looked bigger than it was when you look Isner's result at that period. He was in obvious hangover after IW/Dc successes. Then, just look Shanghai tournament, even to me he looked like he is having some momentum, playing decent tennis but just to give walkover to awful Fed. Players at his position should live for matches like that one but he lives to disappear at it. I tell you , Troicki like
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Anyway, I think you have to be quite deluded to expect Kližan to beat Cilic more than about 1 in 5 times on a hard-court.

On a clay-court, I'd fancy Martin Kližan's chances a bit more. Not on hard-courts, though.
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Kližan is a great player. He's not dedicated like Monaco, Ferrer or anyone else like that, so you can't expect him to win multiple matches every week. I think everyone needs to get realistic with him, he's not going to set the world alight every week!
I heard since he got Kucera as coach he's much more dedicated.
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Still don't understand this hype for Klizan. He is just little more brainy player than Chardy and that's all
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I heard since he got Kucera as coach he's much more dedicated.
Kucera is dedicated. Not Martin, though!

I expect Martin to keep improving, but he still has attitude issues that need to be addressed. What a talent he is, though.
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Kucera is dedicated. Not Martin, though!

I expect Martin to keep improving, but he still has attitude issues that need to be addressed. What a talent he is, though.
It's appearently true though, he works harder now than he used to.
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Still don't understand this hype for Klizan. He is just little more brainy player than Chardy and that's all
I don´t understand neither, but it seems people like him.
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It's appearently true though, he works harder now than he used to.
Of course, but he did no work whatsoever, before.

Coaches can change mentalities, but I'm not sure if they can change something that is much deeper, perhaps ingrained. Certainly they can't influence it to a large scale.

Well, we'll see where Kližan is this time next year. I hope it's in the top 20 or better, but I'm doubtful.
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I was giving him a credit in past when he overcame a good player playing well, just this is happening once per year so you don't have a chance to read it. Even if he isn't such huge mug players like him are bad for the sport. The guy was in top 10, for years he is in top 20 without reaching single one Masters 1000 semifinal. Then look at this year,he is close to top 10 with just only one mentionable win against Isner in Madrid which at the moment when happened looked bigger than it was when you look Isner's result at that period. He was in obvious hangover after IW/Dc successes. Then, just look Shanghai tournament, even to me he looked like he is having some momentum, playing decent tennis but just to give walkover to awful Fed. Players at his position should live for matches like that one but he lives to disappear at it. I tell you , Troicki like
To some extant all you wrote is true. But I guess players like Cilic are great for this sport. He is good on all surfaces, can offend and defend simulteneously. Marin has the weapons to finish the points and he isn`t afraid of rallies either. Serve is his main weakness, I believe with Almagro`s serve, for example, he would be permanent TOP-10 player on Berdych`s level.

Yep, he isn`t the guy with the strongest mentality, but the same time isn`t that bad as you describe.
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Of course, but he did no work whatsoever, before.

Coaches can change mentalities, but I'm not sure if they can change something that is much deeper, perhaps ingrained. Certainly they can't influence it to a large scale.

Well, we'll see where Kližan is this time next year. I hope it's in the top 20 or better, but I'm doubtful.
Since Kucera has been his coach, the progress speaks for itself.
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I like this scoreline.
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Klizan made his peak in the season. It's normal to have a little downtrend after his 1st title...
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Kližan has great future had great season can't expect him to win everything now
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