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Old 10-17-2012, 08:23 PM   #1
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Default Rafole rivalry: WWW their next non-clay match next year?

Notwithstanding their Shanghai match I find this Murrovic rivalry too monotonous for my liking and wish for a return to the rafole rivalry. I was watching their 2012 matches and it would be very interesting to see what would happen if they meet next on a non-clay surface. After the FO final Rafa definitely has figured out a strategy to beat Nole on clay at least and it would be interesting to see if he can translate it to hard courts.

Lets say Nadal gets into a decent groove/good match form by Miami and they meet in the finals. Who would you pick as a winner? I personally would go with Rafa because he nearly beat Nole 2.0 in Miami 2011 and given Nole's drop in level from that time, I don't know why Nadal couldn't start beating him on hard courts or even grass again.
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Peak Nole beats Rafa on clay, no matter haw well Rafa plays. But only terribly off-peak Rafa loses to average Nole.
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Peak Nole beats Rafa on clay, no matter haw well Rafa plays. But only terribly off-peak Rafa loses to average Nole.
Are you kidding? Peak Rafa would destroy anyone on clay.
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Peak Nole beats Rafa on clay, no matter haw well Rafa plays. But only terribly off-peak Rafa loses to average Nole.
peak nole beats peak Nadal on clay.... ?? and I thought I had heard it all. you are truly delusional or on drugs or both.

P.S. I think Nadal will, their last match off of clay (AO 2012) was SO close and Nadal will have hunger, assuming he comes back to regular physical shape, to beat one of his main rivals all over the place
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Are you kidding? Peak Rafa would destroy anyone on clay.
this except Volandri
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Peak Nole beats Rafa on clay, no matter haw well Rafa plays. But only terribly off-peak Rafa loses to average Nole.
I mean to elaborate further, a mediocre Nadal beat Djokovic at Roland Garros this year yet you think a peak version of him would not destroy him? ala Nadal of 2006-2008? trust me, Federer is a much better clay player at his best than Djokovic, and he got bageled my prime Nadal on clay. I can deal with haters talking #$$hit about Nadal on other surfaces, but when it concerns clay it just gets borderline fantasy retarded to say someone is better than him
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Nolandy matches are much better matches than Rafole ones- there's more tennis, more ballstriking and more skill.
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Nolandy matches are much better matches than Rafole ones- there's more tennis, more ballstriking and more skill.


Personally I feel that rafole matches are tactically more complex and with nadal mixing up his strategies against nole this year, their matches make for great watching. Not to mention that watching two players with different strengths/weaknesses is more enjoyable anyday than a shadow boxing competition.

But returning to topic, yes I feel an in-form and well practised nadal can and will beat nole on hardcourt next year.
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I doubt they'll play many more non-clay matches.

Nole will win them, though.
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Personally I feel that rafole matches are tactically more complex and with nadal mixing up his strategies against nole this year, their matches make for great watching. Not to mention that watching two players with different strengths/weaknesses is more enjoyable anyday than a shadow boxing competition.

But returning to topic, yes I feel an in-form and well practised nadal can and will beat nole on hardcourt next year.
Noledal matches are a tennis game of pong except the points end in unforced errors.

Since Nole became Nole 2.0 their matches have become physical borefests. Hamburg, Queens and Madrid were good matches.

Worst match-up of the top 4 by some distance.
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Are you kidding? Peak Rafa would destroy anyone on clay.
Rafa was great as usually on clay season in 2011. Still (peak) Nole won all their clay meetings, and would have won RG final unless he he had Roger in semi, Roger is worse match-up for Nole than Rafa. This year we saw only the average Nole, and that showed average Nole loses to Rafa.
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Rafa was great as usually on clay season in 2011. Still (peak) Nole won all their clay meetings, and would have won RG final unless he he had Roger in semi, Roger is worse match-up for Nole than Rafa. This year we saw only the average Nole, and that showed average Nole loses to Rafa.
Yeah but 2011 Rafa was tactically confused against nole like hanging too far behind baseline, not using DTL forehand etc. But he has gradually improved his tactics and starting with the AO and continuing up to the FO, he has implemented them successfully. So if he can do it again, I don't see why can't he beat Nole on both clay and nonclay matches next year.
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Nolandy matches are much better matches than Rafole ones- there's more tennis, more ballstriking and more skill.
sorry but they're not nearly as intense. they might run almost as much but the quality is much more up and down and the extreme personalities lack. playing Murray the robot does not create very good drama

US OPEN 2012 final was dramatic for one tiebreak and then lacking the rest
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Rafa was great as usually on clay season in 2011. Still (peak) Nole won all their clay meetings, and would have won RG final unless he he had Roger in semi, Roger is worse match-up for Nole than Rafa. This year we saw only the average Nole, and that showed average Nole loses to Rafa.
that's just false. Nadal 2011 clay was not anywhere near his clay levels from 2005-2008. if you were at all aware of what it is like to play on clay court conditions, you would understand that a huge part of it is movement. Nadal did not move in 2011 anywhere near as well as he did when he was younger, and the fact is his clay game was a bit off the whole season. he even struggled some against Federer in the RG final. not to say Federer didn't play well, but it is a strong indication that Nadal was off of his best. he might never go back to his best on clay, but for a fact he was not near it in the past few seasons

only a clown takes two matches in a players career that he happens to win, labels them as that players prime on a surface, etc. that's retarded, so Djokovic for a few tournaments of his clay career reached prime level but the rest of his career has evaded it?

combination of mediocre Nadal and a few good matches on clay for Djokovic and nothing more. the reality check is that it was all in their brains, with Nadal having a weird struggle mentally with Nole in 2011.

I've never heard someone claim something so stupid as that Djokovic's clay prime is anywhere near as good as Nadal's until now, so thank you for making me realize how retarded some people in the world can be.
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Yeah but 2011 Rafa was tactically confused against nole like hanging too far behind baseline, not using DTL forehand etc. But he has gradually improved his tactics and starting with the AO and continuing up to the FO, he has implemented them successfully. So if he can do it again, I don't see why can't he beat Nole on both clay and nonclay matches next year.
this ^^^ something August is incapable of understanding or analyzing
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