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Old 10-17-2012, 09:13 AM   #16
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ah, the good old "atheists have no ethics and morality" one. Never get tired of hearing this.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:10 AM   #17
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Both Capitalists and Atheists spring from the common seed of rational individualism. They believe only in this world and the existence of no other, believe this world as the source of all happiness, the conquest of this world alone and gain in this visible world is the only point in life.

Pure nonsense. It sounds like something that has been fed to you by your church. Not being a churchgoer I have to confess that hearing someone state that capitalists do not believe in God (your other world, I suppose) is baffling.

Actually, it is so ridiculous, I am embarrassed to be posting here.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:08 PM   #18
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I of course know about Weber's theory of a link between Capitalism and Calvinism (which was neither necessary nor sufficient; the author's own admition) and about the Catholic Church banning interest loan, which being a Catholic is a point in my favour. For me, catholicism is the true Christian religion (along with Orthodoxy that I respected).


The modern form of capitalism is the idea that the only the chairman of a company could get the profit of it. No, I don't believe in the virtue of it.

And yes, indeed, here on the Euro continent, in the traditionally Catholic world, it came up with the French Revolution of 1789, which was, indeed, an atheist revolution and influenced atheist thinkers who called themselves the Enlightenment (only Voltaire called himself a 'deist', but he hated religion with a passion).

Before the Revolution, in the strong Christian era, the workers could get their share of the profit of their company. This was stopped by two ignominious laws of the Revolution (the Loi d'Allarde, March 1791, which banned corporations and the Loi Le Chapelier, which banned coalitions and demonstrations), two laws that will be reinforced by Buonaparte (who was atheist to the bones !!).

The atheists from the young French Republic went on to massacre the Catholics who fought for their rights in Vendée. It was a true blood bath and then export their new order to the rest of Europe with Buonaparte and the Bavarians (the Corsican's allies) would strongly repress the Catholics in Tyrol.

The outcome of all that was a whole century of misery during which life expectancy plunged. And only in Christian circles could we find thinkers who would promote a true alternative for all this, namely employee share ownership, promoted late in the century by Pope Leo XIII and then in the 20th century, the closer to apply in it was a traditional Catholic general with the name Charles de Gaulle.


Also, the the Lord helps those who help themselves quote is not in the Bible and absolutely un-Christian.

The Communists did not believe in God, that's true. But they believe in Progress, just like the liberals (which in my view, means libertarians) and material pleasure. And in this respect they are the two faces of the same coin. The Bolsheviks were not anti-capitalists, they were state capitalists. Besides, in 1921, Lenin started the NEP, right? ("most equivocal and the wrongest of all the periods of the Soviet regime", said Pasternak). And the connivence between the Bolsheviks and Wall Street is a well established fact.

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Old 10-17-2012, 07:25 PM   #19
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Is this thread some sort of joke?

Maybe in Catholic countries there may be a link, but I think most people on here have pointed out rightly that the whole modern capitalist ethos stems from Protestantism. Hard work, less fun, puritan and thrifty. Spend less, save more. These are all good protestant virtues and are the ones taken aboard ship by the founding fathers in the USA. They form the backbone of what they call the American Dream.

Look at politics in the USA. Those who believe in less wlefare state, smaller government, less socialism in terms of state involvement - the TEA party movement - they are predominantly Christian, predominantly Protestant.

I think someone else suggested it up above. Your premise is obviously that capitalism is eviil, or at the very least wrong. Why? It has been shown that state communism does not work, as much as anything because of the lack of an incentive to improve one's position. Real communism can only be found in micro-communities (kibbutzim come the closest, perhaps).

Perhaps what you really think is wrong is unfettered capitalism - banks running amok and leaving us with the bill at the end of it. Austerity measures for those who did nothing wrong (I am a teacher, I know this one!). If that is the case, then I agree with you.
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The modern form of capitalism is the idea that the only the chairman of a company could get the profit of it. No, I don't believe in the virtue of it.
Gotta be honest here - this makes no sense to me. The Chairman is the only person to get the profits?

Erm, no.

Shareholders, to whom the Chairman and the board report, get the profits. If the Chairman also owns the company then good for him (or indeed, good for her). Shareholders take the financial risk, and should therefore be allowed to get the reward. Otherwise nobody would ever invest and the world as we know it would stop. It almost literally would.

Anyways, minor rant over. Have a good day.
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nice thread this. Typical clueless religious stuff

*sits back and waits for people to start about atheists being the evillestest peoples in the whooooole world because Stalin and Mao were atheists too*

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Ridiculous thread even for MTF standards...


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The link is as obvious as can be.

Read history and you'll see.

Realists, opportunists, go-getter have almost always been atheists.
One minute you're saying communists = atheists and the other you're saying capitalists = atheists.

Blimey, I guess there's nothing but atheists in the world!
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Blimey, I guess there's nothing but atheists in the world!
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