Are capitalists always atheists? - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

Reply

Old 10-16-2012, 05:32 PM   #1
country flag Roger the Dodger
Registered User
 
Roger the Dodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Between Roger's ears...
Age: 23
Posts: 2,900
Roger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond repute
Default Are capitalists always atheists?

The terms seem synonymous these days.
__________________

2013 : WISERER WILL RISERER









FEDERER GASQUET NALBANDIANGOFFIN
Roger the Dodger is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 10-16-2012, 05:53 PM   #2
country flag Litotes
Welcomed User
 
Litotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Norway
Age: 40
Posts: 8,175
Litotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond reputeLitotes has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Really? I have seen no such link being suggested. Rather a stretch, too, given US as the most capitalistic country in the World and the most religions country in the West.
Litotes is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 05:54 PM   #3
country flag hat__boy
Registered User
 
hat__boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Age: 24
Posts: 12,525
hat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond reputehat__boy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

hat__boy is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 05:55 PM   #4
country flag The Bulldog
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 10,360
The Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond reputeThe Bulldog has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

You seem to imply that something's changed? Please do elaborate.

I don't think they're synonymous. Maybe they are more correlated these days, but certainly far from synonymous.
The Bulldog is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 06:30 PM   #5
country flag buddyholly
RAVE ON
 
buddyholly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: LUBBOCK TX
Posts: 12,650
buddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Ask the Vatican.
__________________
JOIN THE CHURCH OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER TODAY
buddyholly is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 07:52 PM   #6
country flag djokovicgonzalez
Registered User
 
djokovicgonzalez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Virginia
Age: 17
Posts: 21,162
djokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond reputedjokovicgonzalez has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

I don't see this at all. The opposite is closer to true
__________________
Ferrer vs del Potro

Points from slams and WTF: Ferrer 2920, del Potro 1390 (+1530)
Points from Masters: Ferrer 2160, del Potro 1520 (+640)
Points from small tournaments: Ferrer 1890, del Potro 1840 (+50)

But it's okay, because the top 10 playing more is good for the game!
djokovicgonzalez is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 08:16 PM   #7
country flag Fujee
Registered User
 
Fujee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,870
Fujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond reputeFujee has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

What? America is the foremost capitalist nation, and they are THE nation of God botherers.
__________________
Genius is not replicable. Inspiration, though, is contagious, and multiform — and even just to see, close up, power and aggression made vulnerable to beauty is to feel inspired and (in a fleeting, mortal way) reconciled.

David Foster Wallace
Fujee is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 08:22 PM   #8
country flag Echoes
Registered User
 
Echoes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Age: 29
Posts: 1,854
Echoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond reputeEchoes has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

The link is as obvious as can be.

Read history and you'll see.

Realists, opportunists, go-getter have almost always been atheists.
Echoes is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 08:57 PM   #9
country flag coluta
Registered User
 
coluta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,315
coluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond reputecoluta has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Nope. Historically speaking I would rather suggest a strong link between capitalism and protestantism (the idea of private property being so important comes from here).
And Jewish people were allowed to lend money with interest while Christians were not, so for a long time the European "banking system" (as underdeveloped as it was at the time) was almost purely Jewish.
Also, communists didn't believe in God (at least in theory).
Above you have 3 things you can further research so you can answer the question yourself.

However, I am pretty sure you simply view capitalists as evil people who don't care about others. And you also view atheists as evil people who don't care about others, hence your question. Am I wrong?

Last edited by coluta : 10-16-2012 at 09:08 PM.
coluta is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 09:10 PM   #10
country flag buddyholly
RAVE ON
 
buddyholly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: LUBBOCK TX
Posts: 12,650
buddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond reputebuddyholly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Not always, but it makes sense. Clear and intelligent thinking in both cases.

Although I have no idea where you saw the terms used synonymously. Probably nowhere.
__________________
JOIN THE CHURCH OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER TODAY
buddyholly is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 09:11 PM   #11
country flag Filo V.
Banned!
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sleeping in the house of my latest jumpoff.
Posts: 34,909
Filo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond reputeFilo V. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

No, you are not wrong, coluta. The OP is a fundy.
Filo V. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2012, 09:48 PM   #12
country flag Time Violation
Registered User
 
Time Violation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Mount Sharp
Age: 34
Posts: 8,158
Time Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond reputeTime Violation has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Litotes View Post
Really? I have seen no such link being suggested. Rather a stretch, too, given US as the most capitalistic country in the World and the most religions country in the West.
Well, just because someone claims to be religious doesn't mean he actually is. I can't remember where I saw it, but some survey said the most conservative States at the same time have the most registered online porn consumers, something like that
__________________
“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
Time Violation is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2012, 05:00 AM   #13
country flag Roger the Dodger
Registered User
 
Roger the Dodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Between Roger's ears...
Age: 23
Posts: 2,900
Roger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond reputeRoger the Dodger has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Litotes View Post
Really? I have seen no such link being suggested. Rather a stretch, too, given US as the most capitalistic country in the World and the most religions country in the West.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fujee View Post
What? America is the foremost capitalist nation, and they are THE nation of God botherers.
This argument is wrong. We have to view it individually, not at national level. I'm saying the God bothering sect and the capitalist sect in America are not the same people. Therefore, America remains both the most capitalistic and the most religious country in the west. Its a case of numbers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Echoes View Post
The link is as obvious as can be.

Read history and you'll see.

Realists, opportunists, go-getter have almost always been atheists.
This.

Both Capitalists and Atheists spring from the common seed of rational individualism. They believe only in this world and the existence of no other, believe this world as the source of all happiness, the conquest of this world alone and gain in this visible world is the only point in life.

Quote:
Originally Posted by coluta View Post
Nope. Historically speaking I would rather suggest a strong link between capitalism and protestantism (the idea of private property being so important comes from here).
And Jewish people were allowed to lend money with interest while Christians were not, so for a long time the European "banking system" (as underdeveloped as it was at the time) was almost purely Jewish.
Also, communists didn't believe in God (at least in theory).
Above you have 3 things you can further research so you can answer the question yourself.

However, I am pretty sure you simply view capitalists as evil people who don't care about others. And you also view atheists as evil people who don't care about others, hence your question. Am I wrong?
I view neither as evil, only because I believe one cannot believe in God unless one has a defining experience or reason to do so. So as far as the individual right to lead your own life based on your own experiences goes, I'm all for it.

But Atheism serves as the exact foundational line of thought that any true capitalism would base itself on. I mean people who believe in God do not simply trample over the 'competition' for their own gain and triumph. Capitalists who claim otherwise must be simply hungry for political power (or power of some kind), for there, some purported religiosity is often fodder for elections.

Take the case of Mitt Romney affiliate Paul Ryan who is essentially an Objectivist (Ayn Rand) by thought, but hides behind a Catholic front.
__________________

2013 : WISERER WILL RISERER









FEDERER GASQUET NALBANDIANGOFFIN
Roger the Dodger is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2012, 05:45 AM   #14
country flag Jimnik
Registered User
 
Jimnik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Here
Posts: 19,348
Jimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond reputeJimnik has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?



OP obviously living in a parallel universe.
Jimnik is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2012, 06:38 AM   #15
country flag scoobs
Anastasia Komananov, KGB
 
scoobs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 35
Posts: 53,106
scoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond reputescoobs has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Are capitalists always atheists?

Nonsense. Quite the contrary. There has always been a strain of religious capitalists who took the nostrum

"the Lord helps those who help themselves"

extremely literally, and so help themselves to as much as they can possibly get - and claim that it's a blessing from God, who is obviously "on their side".

This is especially true in the Protestant strand of Christianity, with their famed puritanical streak, dourness and belief in work over fun.

Last edited by scoobs : 10-17-2012 at 06:54 AM.
scoobs is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios