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Old 10-12-2012, 10:00 AM   #16
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Same number of points to defend. Gonna be a tight race.
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Would be even closer if Berdych hadn't lost Wimbledon & Olympics 1st round matches to Gulbis and Darcis
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No the point isn't #5 and somehow protecting #5. The point is going higher. For Ferrer #5 is definitely the peak unless someone ahead of him simply is gone a long time or retires.

Ferrer would never have reached #5 in the first place unless Soderling got his problems during 2011. Del Potro has been ahead of Murray by his own power. Söderling also by his own power reaching a slam final, winning a M1000 and then bumping down Murray for months.

Ferrer has never won a M1000. He has never reached a slam final.

When there is a WWW thread between Federer and Ferrer there's like 95% saying Federer. When it's Federer vs Berdych even the fedfans themselves sometimes vote Berdych. That says something when Federer is considered GOAT and Berdych has beaten him twice in slams. Ferrer has never beaten Federer even in a 500 or M1000, much less a slam.

So I mean who are we kidding here? He is also younger so we might not even seen the best of Berdych yet. He's still improving imo.
And what? David was #4 before plenty of guys here got to know who Soderling is. It`s not like Ferrer didn`t stand high in past in ranking.
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I hope Berdych manages to finish the year as #5. A player of his talent and ability deserves at least a few weeks in the world's top 5 in his career. This might his best chance to ever do it so I hope he gets it done. Beating Djokovic tomorrow would most certainly help a lot, but even if he doesn't he still has a good chance.

IMO, this is his best chance - a healthy Del Potro (big if, but still) should become a permanent top 5 player soon. Tomas needs to pounce while there is no strong/consistent #5 to finally get some weeks in top 5.
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I was thinking about him to end 5th before Tokyo after his grat USO run + DC victories, but he missed his chance in Tokyo. Ferrer will be YE No.5, Tomas will loose vs Nole here in SF, so that means in race difference is 700 points and Ferrer has easy 500 points in Valencia i think - 200 just gain, because he has already enough 250s + 500 from Acapulco and 300 from Barcelona ,but i think Ferrer playing VAlencia is enough points for him to be YE No.5, Berdych missed his chance in Tokyo - easy 500 points there considering the fact Murray didn´t win it. Howewer Berdych should be fine with No.6, Delpo isn´t better indoor player and his lead before Tsonga is comfortable right now and Tsonga won´t have such great indoor season again like last year.
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That loss in R4 of RG really hurt Berdie. He probably stood a very good chance against Roger in Paris.

As for YE #5, I think his ability to choke to the active top 4 will be his undoing. He won't come out of the groups.
I think he'd have beaten Federer, but in terms of matchups at this point in time it is:

Federer > Del Potro > Berdych > Federer > Del Potro

*Berdych > Federer solely based on Tomas winning their last two Slam matches, overall H2H still hightly favorable to Federer.

Food for thought for those who keep denying the existance of matchups in tennis. Federer loses vs Berdych in Slams, but Berdych can't beat Del Potro, who in turn is almost hopeless against Federer.
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The #5 player should be the player that the top4 fans go "oh noes!" when their favourite gets him in the quarter. It's been like that with Berdych and he's already proven that many times. Berdych can step up and take a game into his own hands.
Good stuff right there man. Ferrer is good, but not great. Berdych has shown big flashes of greatness before.
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Ferrer deserves his 5 spot so far this year and was very competitive against Murray in W, great match.

I do agree that Tomas is a bigger threat to top 4 guys. That goes for Tsonga and Delpo offcourse aswell.
I mean Raonic is probably as big threat or bigger to the top 4 players than Ferrer is, but that doesn't mean that he should be ranked as high... same applies to Berdych. rankings are about a lot of variables combined, not specific parts like ability to beat and play big against top ranked players
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Maybe if Ferrer misses another few weeks, otherwise doubt it. Berdych may have made a name for himself indoors but he's been shit there for years.
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Race is over, people are discussing who will be #5 #6 or #7. It is irrelevant, we know who are the top 4, top 8 and first alt. Suspense has died out pretty quickly this year...
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Berdych is imo the most worthy #5 since Soderling left the spot with his illness. I mean no offense to the vult....I mean Ferrer, he's a very likeable person, but I don't think he was #5 in terms of threat to the top4.


The #5 player should be the player that the top4 fans go "oh noes!" when their favourite gets him in the quarter. It's been like that with Berdych and he's already proven that many times. Berdych can step up and take a game into his own hands.

#5 shouldn't be a player who feels like a bye in QF/SF situations of slams. #5 should be a player that comes knocking to replace #4 in the rankings if #4 slips up just for part of the season!

Truth to be told I think Berdych got it in him to reach more slam finals and win M1000s and then he could aim to also break the top4. That is out of reach for players who can't reach big finals or win big tournaments. Let's be honest, just winning 500s/250s aren't gonna cut it for top4 most likely.


I hope Berdych will make #5 before year-end but regardless it's gonna be interesting to see him in the WTF this year. Indoor conditions with no wind and his current form makes him a very deadly opponent that could win the whole thing.
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Ferrer might even go to #4 pretty soon, but he'll start to decline after that.
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