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Old 10-10-2012, 07:27 PM   #16
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Default Re: Why are ballbashers seen more highly than defenders?

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Nadal's forehand is not the greatest, Roger's is. He's not the greatest at anything apart from clay titles/overall clay career. Understand?

Also, I don't quite get how I'm stupid. Please "enlighten" me on why I am.
Your posts in mtf taken together have little truth, most of them are just made to clown around.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:29 PM   #17
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sorry bud, but there isn't any point of explaining anything to you as you never listen.
So, in other words, you don't have any enlightening reasons to give me? What a surprise.
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99% of your posts simply don't make any sense and I can not take you seriously.
And, as usual, you are wrong. You're good at that.
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I don't even think you are a Murray fan. you simply turn off people who might like Andy.
Not an Andy fan?? That's borderline insulting.
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good luck with your thread, I couldn't care less btw. hopefully you'll grow up one day
Which is why you replied, right?
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Your posts in mtf taken together have little truth, most of them are just made to clown around.
Incorrect.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:30 PM   #18
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Players with variety and actual tactics on court are far better than powerful guys who just slam the shit out of the ball. It's ugly to watch a ball being destroyed all over the court, but it's great to watch tactics, variety and smart play. One is skill and actual intelligence, the other is power and nothing else.
yes you shouldn't have used the word "defenders" in the title, although it fits your Murray-guy.

On this site for a few months ballbashers have been more loved than players who have variety but little power.
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what a clown, I can't stop laughing. Are you really that stupid?
I saw nothing wrong with Sapoed's post about Nadal's forehand. In fact, it is true that the only reason Nadal's forehand is effective is because it spins over opponents heads. Federer and Djokovic forehands are certainly much better to look at than Nadal.
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Default Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than defenders?

If Nadal didn't have the best FH of 'em all, he would be such a pusher and wouldn't be able to finish a point
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Defense? Regards?

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yes you shouldn't have used the word "defenders" in the title, although it fits your Murray-guy.
Yeah, I'll change it. Murray is a tactical baseliner, not a pusher or a defender.[/quote]

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If Nadal didn't have the best FH of 'em all, he would be such a pusher and wouldn't be able to finish a point
But he doesn't have the best forehand. Nowhere near.
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Defense? Regards?

That's the worst match I've ever seen Roger play. Healthy Nadal defeated a 1% Roger badly. Congratulations
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This has always been the case as far as I can tell, even on the WTA. Players who can hit the ball hard are seen as superior to players who prefer to defend, work the ball around or use variety. Why is that?
Bear in mind that these are two different things, and your cross-referencing them in the OP makes the question a bit difficult to address concisely.

In general, offensive play is more highly rated than defensive play because initiative is generally more tasteful than responsiveness.

But talking about someone who uses variety is a different matter altogether. The ability to command points through variable play is not restricted to any one style or archetype, and I don't think people generally prefer mindless ball-bashing to that.

When it comes down to it, pushing, or getting the ball in play with no other intent, is what people really look down upon. Unfortunately, most defensive or tactical players can revert to this on occasion, so people don't bother to gauge them as anything more. Worse, for these type of players, is that their play can be made to look like mere pushing when their tactics are working too well or not working at all, paradoxically. Thus, again, they're sort of unfairly pigeonholed as pushers.
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They aren't for real tennis fans, who are rare on MTF.
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For anyone confused about the title (if you are then you're not very smart) what I mean by tacticians is players who don't use power but use brilliant defense, tactics, variety and brains to win their matches.

I put Andy in the title because he's a good example of a tactician.
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Yeah, I'll change it. Murray is a tactical baseliner, not a pusher or a defender.
I would say Murray has a very mixed game. He tries to be all tactical, and I've seen many points in which he thought the point through and made a nice display, but other times when his patience wore thin, or got bored, he became mainly a defensive player. Usually, MTF sees only the negative part, so...
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Default Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than tacticians like Murray?

It's the same thing in all sports. In football for example, people prefer attacking football to defensive football.

People like players or teams that 'go for it' if you get what i mean.

I'm not that fussed personally. Different styles of play make it more interesting
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For anyone confused about the title (if you are then you're not very smart) what I mean by tacticians is players who don't use power but use brilliant defense, tactics, variety and brains to win their matches.

I put Andy in the title because he's a good example of a tactician.
You said this after my post, so I'm not sure if this is some roundabout snipe at my comment, but I'll clarify my original post. It's not a matter of being confused about the title, or the topic itself, it's a matter of addressing differences between defenders and tacticians.

A "brilliant" defender does not necessarily make for a formidable tactician, and the reverse is true as well. Likewise, I don't think people treat either style the same, so they really make for different conversations. You should probably stop grouping them together.
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For anyone confused about the title (if you are then you're not very smart) what I mean by tacticians is players who don't use power but use brilliant ATTACK, tactics, variety and brains to win their matches.

I put Andy in the title because he's a good example of a tactician.
Fixed it for ya pal
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Default Re: Why are ballbashers more highly regarded than tacticians like Murray?

Sapeod, why on Earth did you have to make this thread when I already gave you the correct answer in some other thread recently.

If you play tennis yourself you can immediately recognise that it takes more skills and balls to play offensive than playing defensively.
Murray may be resourceful, but not necessarily more skilled or talented than those who play aggressive and/or offensive tennis.

To add, Murray's game is not commanding. A commanding gamestyle is more pleasing than one that is responsive.
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