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Bellucci in 2 1 5.26%
Bellucci in 3 4 21.05%
Klizan in 2 9 47.37%
Klizan in 3 3 15.79%
Either one, as long as the Klizanwagon gets derailed 2 10.53%
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:50 AM   #31
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It's not the bandwagoning in general that is bothering me, but rather the constant denial that people are bandwagoning Klizan. It's so obviously bandwagoning, and yet people still deny it
Um no, it's so obviously not bandwagoning if said people like the player and their game and not the success, just like how I'm into Bellucci, now does that make me a bandwagoner for him too, no.
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Hopefully Bellucci loses. One of the most mindless ballbashers on the tour.
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You wouldn't like the game if the success wasn't there, chances are you wouldn't even have watched a match with him. You hadn't done so before he was winning by your own admission. But if you happened to see one and he was playing like crap, hitting all kinds of errors you wouldn't have liked his game. Hence you like he game because of the success.

When a player gets more fans because of success it's bandwagoning. If you watch a match of his live in a challener with no stream and he loses and you like his game then it's not bandwagoning. It's pretty simple really
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lol at this Bandwagon talks.

If someone gets good results and gets more fans or publictity, or evern talk about the good results it's a bandwagon. It doesn't matter if these people are real fans, the typ of fans who just cheer someone because of good reuslts, of just someone who hasn't seen the person before. Doesn't matter if the talk of the player is warrented by the player's game or not.

More fans = Bandwagon

More often then not the player then receeds and most people stop caring, leading to the typical idea of what bandwagoning is.

That will more than likely happen with Klizan too, only time will tell. All these "true fans" who love his game, will be asking Klizan who by the time the Australian Open gets here
Wrong, if that were true that would mean that every players fanbase is a bandwagon, which it's not obviously, a bandwagon fan is some one who supports a player only during a period of success, how many times.
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Um no, it's so obviously not bandwagoning if said people like the player and their game and not the success, just like how I'm into Bellucci, now does that make me a bandwagoner for him too, no.
Which is why you only started praising him when he won St. Petersburg
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Which is why you only started praising him when he won St. Petersburg
Wrong, I only started being into him after I watched him, and liked what I saw.
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Um no, it's so obviously not bandwagoning if said people like the player and their game and not the success, just like how I'm into Bellucci, now does that make me a bandwagoner for him too, no.
Funny how you seem to like these powerful lefty topspinforehanders so much
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Wrong, if that were true that would mean that every players fanbase is a bandwagon, which it's not obviously, a bandwagon fan is some one who supports a player only during a period of success, how many times.
how many Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic fans here would still be their fan if they were ranked 147? Maybe 5%.

Fans who jump on a bandwagon often do become long term fans of said player. You act like bandwagoning a player is a bad thing. There are 2 levels of bandwagoning, bandwagoning which involves cheering for a player only when they are winning is bad, but when a player first starts getting good results he's bound to gain more fans. This is bandwagoning too, it's not bad bandwagoning though, often some of these fans stay fans through the good and the bad. This is good bandwagoning
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Wrong, I only started being into him after I watched him, and liked what I saw.
and you only watched him because he was winning

and you only liked what you saw because he was winning

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how many Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic fans here would still be their fan if they were ranked 147? Maybe 5%.

Fans who jump on a bandwagon often do become long term fans of said player. You act like bandwagoning a player is a bad thing.
To your 1st point, of course they would have less fans if they were #147, because they would obviously be less known playing at the CH level, can you name me one big star at the CH level, no, of course not.

Heh, ok, right before you said that fans who have recently become Klizan fans won't be fans of his by the AO, contradicting much, also, yes being a bandwagon fan is a bad thing, it means you aren't really a fan of the player, but a fan of winning only.
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and you only watched him because he was winning

and you only liked what you saw because he was winning

your turn
Heh, nice try, but wrong again, you can't tell me what I did and didn't do.
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To your 1st point, of course they would have less fans if they were #147, because they would obviously be less known playing at the CH level, can you name me one big star at the CH level, no, of course not.

Heh, ok, right before you said that fans who have recently become Klizan fans won't be fans of his by the AO, contradicting much, also, yes being a bandwagon fan is a bad thing, it means you aren't really a fan of the player, but a fan of winning only.
If They never won another match for another year and became unranked and never broke the top 100 again they would lose fans

most of them probably will, this is because Klizan will not become top 5 in the world and gain fans like the top players do, some fans will remain when he starts losing though, me thinks you won't be one of them
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If They never won another match for another year and became unranked and never broke the top 100 again they would lose fans

most of them probably will, this is because Klizan will not become top 5 in the world and gain fans like the top players do, some fans will remain when he starts losing though, me thinks you won't be one of them
What exactly gives you this idea, you don't know me well enough for this type of judgement, I've just said that I also like Bellucci, who has a similar game to Klizan, has Bellucci had a ton of success and is he a top 20/10 player, no, Melzer, my favorite player, is he a top player right now, no, so sorry, but from that you should be able to glean that I won't be dropping support for players anytime soon.
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Heh, nice try, but wrong again, you can't tell me what I did and didn't do.
I don't need to, you yourself said you haven't watched him before. He now wins, and suddenly you watch. Nope no coorolation there at all

You clearly don't know what a bandwagon is, I guess you had some sort of negative connection with the word when you were young and can only subconsiously connect this word to negative things in life. No point in me wasting my valuable time arguing with this mug anymore
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What exactly gives you this idea, you don't know me well enough for this type of judgement.
and you don't know the term bandwagon enough for the type of judgement you're making
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