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Honestly · 10-06-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by safin-rules-no.1

You're of little value, not only to MTF but to society in general.

Your ass licking of Scoobs is bordering on a full blown deep rimming.

Nah I'm just trying to get under your skin, and from your comment it looks like it's working.

duong · 10-06-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scoobs

They have a problem with a player who doesn't feel 100% and doesn't retire like a good little boy and give their guy the walkover, but fights through it and wins? I genuinely don't get that, I'm sorry, but I don't.

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Originally Posted by Jarkko Nieminen

Even though I never expect someone to retire, this time I was sure that Murray would give up. I have had many opponents suffering on the court, many retirements and I have never seen someone struggling as much as Murray. Never so much drama. He just could not serve, play tennis what so ever. When you see a player in this kind of shape, especially a top-player, the natural thought is that for him it doesn't make any sense to keep going. Anyway Murray still did.

you know that Nieminen is one of the most experienced players on Tour then you can't just treat his words as unreasonable

Besides he was not harsh against Murray in his post, not like Haas at all, he only says "after his miracle healing"

safin-rules-no.1 · 10-06-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Honestly

Nah I'm just trying to get under your skin, and from your comment it looks like it's working.

K, noob.

Honestly · 10-06-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by safin-rules-no.1

K, noob.

Like I said, it's working.

duong · 10-06-2012, 05:37 PM

Anyway there are multiple aspects in that attitude imo, probably interrelated, which make that Murray seems to have a lot in common with McEnroe although not being at all a "brat" with umpires and even other players like him.

As far as losing matches is concerned, I think he has managed to control his negativity much more in the last two years.

scoobs · 10-06-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duong

you know that Nieminen is one of the most experienced players on Tour then you can't just treat his words as unreasonable

Besides he was not harsh against Murray in his post, not like Haas at all, he only says "after his miracle healing"

Well, you know...lesson learned. Murray might act like the Dying Swan at times on court if something is bugging him but he doesn't retire. As for drama...I mean, I watched that match and he just seemed in pain to me and was clutching his back when it hurt. I don't remember much more "drama" than that - I don't remember him bursting into tears, or raging at the universe, or behave in any other way than someone behaves when they're in pain. So I wonder what he means by drama, and I can't help wonder if some of that is really about him being frustrated at letting it get away, as a very experienced player he really should know better than to expect any player to retire, no matter how much "drama" he's seeing.

Slasher1985 · 10-06-2012, 05:38 PM

Yeah, Murray's aggressive attitude scores him dark side points, and less fans, but why should that be a problem. People coped with Nalbandian for years...

safin-rules-no.1 · 10-06-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Honestly

Like I said, it's working.

No, it really isn't.

safin-rules-no.1 · 10-06-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Slasher1985

Yeah, Murray's aggressive attitude scores him dark side points, and less fans, but why should that be a problem. People coped with Nalbandian for years...

Nalby was less whiny though.

Sanya · 10-06-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by duong

Anyway there are multiple aspects in that attitude imo, probably interrelated, which make that Murray seems to have a lot in common with McEnroe although not being at all a "brat" with umpires and even other players like him.

As far as losing matches is concerned, I think he has managed to control his negativity much more.

I would like to see someone to repeat at least half of what Mac said to umpires. It would be funny and bring some freshness in this polite tennis world.

scoobs · 10-06-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanya

I would like to see someone to repeat at least half of what Mac said to umpires. It would be funny and bring some freshness in this polite tennis world.

I can only imagine how much that player would be loathed on here. Roddick was a saint in comparison to McEnroe and he was excoriated on here any time he looked at an umpire cross-eyed.

Nr 1 Fan · 10-06-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski

a lot of it is pure bluff designed to get inside his opponent's head.

things like crying when he gets aced at 135mph or fails to make a pass from row Z of the stand.

and yes, the role of lendl on his on-court demeanour has been overstated. people decided on the narrative as soon as lendl was appointed and stuck with it despite countless incidents of contrary evidence.

the narrative being that murray would never swear at his box and generally act like a prissy little bitch on court with a lengend like lendl in his corner.

You really think so?

I think it just lies in his character, some people just can't forgive themselves for making a mistake. They can't believe they a made a wrong choice of shot or made a stupid error. It has nothing to do with playing mind games. I happen to act that way too on court so I now about what I am talking here

duong · 10-06-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scoobs

Well, you know...lesson learned. Murray might act like the Dying Swan at times on court if something is bugging him but he doesn't retire. As for drama...I mean, I watched that match and he just seemed in pain to me and was clutching his back when it hurt. I don't remember much more "drama" than that - I don't remember him bursting into tears, or raging at the universe, or behave in any other way than someone behaves when they're in pain. So I wonder what he means by drama, and I can't help wonder if some of that is really about him being frustrated at letting it get away, as a very experienced player he really should know better than to expect any player to retire, no matter how much "drama" he's seeing.

yes, I didn't see much drama on his face in this match, probably Nieminen meant that he had never seen a player who looked that bad and didn't retire as he said in his post.

Anyway, really Nieminen sounds very nice from reading his blog but I just think he says the impressions he had which some other players have talked about that they had the impression that he "faked".

I'm not a big partisan of these "faking" theories but well, players talk about it a lot.

Sanya · 10-06-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by scoobs

I can only imagine how much that player would be loathed on here. Roddick was a saint in comparison to McEnroe and he was excoriated on here any time he looked at an umpire cross-eyed.

I like Andy, best press-conference player for last ten years.

You are right I guess, but still.

scoobs · 10-06-2012, 05:51 PM

I also think Murray is obsessed with his health to the point of being a bit of a hypochondriac - but for good reason. Most players who have had a bad injury early on are very cautious about their body as their career goes on, and Murray had a bad ankle injury as a junior.

He also has the bipartite patella issue since birth, which has to be managed. As it turns out, Monfils has the same bipartite patella problem, he's thrown himself around and slid about on hardcourts for years, and now is at risk of having to retire because his knee is so fucked. A player's body is really all they have and they have to be obsessive about looking after it.