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The Republican congress he had throughout his terms that practically had to put a gun to his head to sign any of the successful economic reforms of the 90's is what left America is a deceptively strong economic position. And strong state economies, the opposite of now. Clinton as this great economic President is just utter myth that his people continue to try and make into fact. Newt Gingich had far more to do with the economy than Bill Clinton ever did. The man's only legacy is being a non-convicted felon with no dignity and a compulsive liar.

And also the fact that the prosperity came from (at the time understandable) gutting of programs that would need to be built again after 9/11. The military specifically. Clinton came into office after the Cold War. But the country was well on it's way to a recession by the time Clinton left and this was the major topic of the 2000 election. What's going to happen with the economic down slide. Then 9/11 and the huge economic hit we took. Also the massive amount of money needed to rebuild the military and domestic security programs.

Study Clinton's presidency and tell me which of his economic policies was responsible for the paper surplus? There is none. The man was the ultimate example of how a U.S. President a figurehead who gets credit or blamed for things have nothing to do with him. That's why I say it makes little difference if it is Obama or Romney. The congress decides on policy. The President's biggest power is appointments.
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wasting money on tax cuts and military spending was stupid though. Accepted the Dot.com bubble no doubt swelled government revenue in the late nineties.
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I'll never understand the philosophy that taxing the population is something commendable. It's a mockery now, but the U.S. was founded on the idea that the government should have as little interference in our lives as possible. It's a joke now. Income tax itself is inherently anti-American.
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donna wanna be sound ruse but i think only the americans really know what is best for them
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That's how Obama was elected. He is/was just someone that everyone else projects their beliefs on. For good or ill. His critics who thought Obama would bring about some horrific disaster were just as bad as his more vocal supporters who acted as if he was the second coming.

You see it in another example like Nelson Mandela, who was just a truly horrible leader, yet he's still treated like some sort of messiah because the press make the news. People see what they want. Not the reality. MLK is another great example. There's never been a bigger moral or political hypocrite in U.S. history. And yet we have a national holiday in his honor.

That's just the way the world works. Perception is reality.
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if im not mistaken, Budget surplus of several hundred million dollars

but hey, obama is not clinton
That would have to be billions or trillions. A surplus of millions would be rounded up to a billion or down to zero.
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Romney almost won me over but still don't like his excessive military spending. Surely cutting the deficit means cutting back on military as well as everything else.
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at least if you do income tax ensure everyone pays the same

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Romney almost won me over but still don't like his excessive military spending. Surely cutting the deficit means cutting back on military as well as everything else.
But every single time we have drastically cut military spending it has been disastrous. And far more expensive in the long run. A huge, huge part of the financial troubles in the 21st century came from just thoughtlessly gutting the military in the 90's without any care for anything past the next election cycle.

The problem more than anything is all the waste and these criminally overblown prices from the defense companies. It sure isn't going to the common soldiers. And given the size of the budget, there's no excuse for that.

It's the endless money that's thrown at education that is the bigger problem. I just wish that any of these people would explain why spending so much astronomically more than the government use to per capita on education has resulted in poorer and poorer schools. Political correctness and huge concentration on politically correct education has a lot to do with it, but it shouldn't lower it that much across the board.

Education is far more wasteful and useless for the past 2 generations than military spending.

And it's not just that too. The US has far too many "allies" who do absolutely nothing in exchange for their security in defense treaties with the US.
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The Republican congress he had throughout his terms that practically had to put a gun to his head to sign any of the successful economic reforms of the 90's is what left America is a deceptively strong economic position. And strong state economies, the opposite of now. Clinton as this great economic President is just utter myth that his people continue to try and make into fact. Newt Gingich had far more to do with the economy than Bill Clinton ever did. The man's only legacy is being a non-convicted felon with no dignity and a compulsive liar.

And also the fact that the prosperity came from (at the time understandable) gutting of programs that would need to be built again after 9/11. The military specifically. Clinton came into office after the Cold War. But the country was well on it's way to a recession by the time Clinton left and this was the major topic of the 2000 election. What's going to happen with the economic down slide. Then 9/11 and the huge economic hit we took. Also the massive amount of money needed to rebuild the military and domestic security programs.

Study Clinton's presidency and tell me which of his economic policies was responsible for the paper surplus? There is none. The man was the ultimate example of how a U.S. President a figurehead who gets credit or blamed for things have nothing to do with him. That's why I say it makes little difference if it is Obama or Romney. The congress decides on policy. The President's biggest power is appointments.
He lied about sex. We all do. Unless, you are Newt Gingrich who truthfully told his wife, who was in hospital after cancer surgery, that he wanted a divorce so that he could move on to a second wife.
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I am so tired of hearing that. Oh, he got a bj, so what? It's never been about that.

He lied under oath. That's a felony. It's called perjury and any other American citizen would have gone to prison and lost many of their rights for life, including their right to vote. They would be a felon forever. Except Clinton.

This man is the key speaker at the Democratic conventions. It tell you everything, both about the political system and the how the press chooses to hold some accountable and not others.
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I am so tired of hearing that. Oh, he got a bj, so what? It's never been about that.

He lied under oath. That's a felony. It's called perjury and any other American citizen would have gone to prison and lost many of their rights for life, including their right to vote. They would be a felon forever. Except Clinton.

This man is the key speaker at the Democratic conventions. It tell you everything, both about the political system and the how the press chooses to hold some accountable and not others.
How many ''other'' American citizens would even be asked under oath if they had a bj?
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Are you really that simple? You do realize that questions about affairs or suspected affairs are very common motives in criminal cases and that countless people are asked about them under oath? Or do you really think this was some sort of huge exception? I don't get if you were dumb enough to think that was clever or just extremely stupid to even ask that question.

If you can't understand that Clinton committed a felony in public, then there's absolutely no point in continuing discussion. Because you are saying that it's ok to lie under oath about certain things and there's no end to that slope. Clinton not facing trial and continuing to be accepted by any politician just shows how broken the system is.
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