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Old 10-04-2012, 01:12 AM   #61
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Lol Everko not only falling but falling apart.
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everyone withdrawing in fear of the northerner

murray too strong in asia

his patch, his turf, no intruders allowed

federer foolish enough to think he can gain points here to keep year end no 1 ranking
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Another pathetic tournament that Haas will vulture for breakfast.
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everyone withdrawing in fear of the northerner

murray too strong in asia

his patch, his turf, no intruders allowed

federer foolish enough to think he can gain points here to keep year end no 1 ranking
You don't mind at all that these kind of posts make you look foolish? Federer didn't play Shanghai last year. Even a R1 loss will gain him 10 points. A loss to Murray will gain him 360 or 600 points, which might make all the difference in the race to YE#1.
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Too bad for murray there is no slam in Asia....
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You don't mind at all that these kind of posts make you look foolish? Federer didn't play Shanghai last year. Even a R1 loss will gain him 10 points. A loss to Murray will gain him 360 or 600 points, which might make all the difference in the race to YE#1.
And if he doesn't win Paris, it's all for nothing.
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And if he doesn't win Paris, it's all for nothing.
It's a little too soon to say what happens in Paris, isn't it? Fed still might play there. He might have to withdraw from Basel for one reason or another, or lose early, and then Paris is next on the menu. He might also decide to have a go at playing three weeks consecutively if the race for #1 is really on by then (depending on Asian results) and if his Basel matches all go under two hours, which is not unlikely.
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Well, in order to properly calculate the YER, you must take out last year's WTF. Thus, the scores are:

Federer - 10305
Djokovic - 10270

Now, if Federer wins Shanghai, this will increase by a minimum of 400 points to 435 differential.

In the last 2 weeks, Federer must defend 1500 points, Djokovic 360 points. If Federer doesn't show up for Basel, it stays at 1500 points, if he does, it's only 1410, for he has a 90 to replace his 500 in Basel.

Djokovic - 9910
Federer - 8805

If he does defend both, and Djokovic prefers Valencia and wins, and reaches the final in Paris, the scores will be:

Djokovic - 9910 + 500 + 600 = 11010
Federer - 8805 + 500 + 1000 = 10305

Now, comes Shanghai's differential. With Federer winning and Djokovic in the final:
Djokovic - 11610
Federer - 11305

With Federer winning and Djokovic in the semifinal:
Djokovic - 11370
Federer - 11305

If Djokovic also wins Beijing:
Djokovic - 11870
Federer - 11305

Cutting out Djokovic's possible win in Valencia and replacing it with Basel final:
With Federer winning Shanghai and Djokovic in the final:
Djokovic - 11410
Federer - 11305

With Federer winning Shanghai and Djokovic in the semifinal:
Federer - 11305
Djokovic - 11170

If Djokovic also wins Beijing:
Djokovic - 11670
Federer - 11305

Federer needs to win Paris and Basel in order to stay that close to Djokovic and win WTF to pass him. If he doesn't, winning Shanghai is for nothing.
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wow Davydenko retired from Shanghai ... a nut job done this year 5 masters out of 9 played ... 2 events remaining for him Moscow/Basel ... say goodbye to year-end top 50 and the streak
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Federer needs to win Paris and Basel in order to stay that close to Djokovic and win WTF to pass him. If he doesn't, winning Shanghai is for nothing.
A little odd reasoning here. Looking at points to defend is not very meaningful. The real point is that Fed is currently 1000 points behind. What he needs will depend on what Djokovic does. Playing Shanghai will definitely leave him closer in the race before Basel than not playing Shanghai would.
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Everko showing again that he is better than all the wannabe clowns of this board. He is a special talent trained in the famous Clay Death academy. Too bad he is struggling with injuries keeping him away of MTF otherwise he would already be the GOAT. I fear the day when he will retire cause it will definitely mean the loss of a legend of this game.
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A little odd reasoning here. Looking at points to defend is not very meaningful. The real point is that Fed is currently 1000 points behind. What he needs will depend on what Djokovic does. Playing Shanghai will definitely leave him closer in the race before Basel than not playing Shanghai would.
This.

Roger basically needs to win 1500 (most probably, if djokovic wins beijing) more points than djokovic in the remaining tournaments, i.e., shanghai, basel, paris and WTF.

It will be very difficult. Roger will probably need to win 3 of them and hope djokovic falters in at least 1.
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A little odd reasoning here. Looking at points to defend is not very meaningful. The real point is that Fed is currently 1000 points behind. What he needs will depend on what Djokovic does. Playing Shanghai will definitely leave him closer in the race before Basel than not playing Shanghai would.
Well, obviously he can be closer before those tournaments, but he needs to be close after them... But winning Shanghai and then losing Paris/Basel means cancelling Shanghai out, in which case he could have stayed in Europe and concentrate only on the swing there increasing chances. Federer needs to gain at least 500 points in Basel/Paris for going to Shanghai to have worth it (score more than last year) in the case he wins it, of course. Even so, Djokovic would still have scored 100 more points than him in Asia if he wins Beijing.
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Besides that, we can't be sure that YE #1 is Federer's goal at all. We can be sure that 300 is cause that is why he's playing Shanghai, but I think Federer will take YE #1 if the opportunity presents itself, if not, well, he has so many things achieved already, so he'll keep being happy and focus on the next Slam.
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