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Old 10-03-2012, 04:38 AM   #31
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I don't think they should be able to be used if you miss the deadline, I would disagree with that. I don't like it as a security blanket for current players who can't manage their commitments For former "greats", up and comers, sure, but I would say you still have to commit on time.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:14 AM   #32
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I don't think they should be able to be used if you miss the deadline, I would disagree with that. I don't like it as a security blanket for current players who can't manage their commitments
Agree with you there

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I really like a point based system a lot I think it's fair to everyone and encouraging to new players

I think what we need to also think of is if/when these points expire. For example, should they carry over from season to season (if such a system is put in place)? I'm inclined to say yes, if only because if someone starts the game late in the year and wins a challenger, in November/December, they should be able to use a WC early in the 2013 season.

Just something I was thinking about
WTF have a system like this in place which they started this year - e.g if you win a challenger in November or December, you can claim one of the spaces in a January event.
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To my point of view, you can have a system like play-offs to get "WC" once in a while : I mean the winner of Shangai challenger get a spot in Beijing 250 or something like that. That would be the only really fair thing in the game.

I like this idea
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Agree with you there



WTF have a system like this in place which they started this year - e.g if you win a challenger in November or December, you can claim one of the spaces in a January event.
We have more challenger tournaments, so we can't do this in MTF
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To my point of view, you can have a system like play-offs to get "WC" once in a while : I mean the winner of Shangai challenger get a spot in Beijing 250 or something like that. That would be the only really fair thing in the game.
Very good idea In my opinion the winner of such a Challenger should receive a MD Wildcard for the ATP event in the following week...
Maybe the finalist as well

Dunno though if we should do this on a weekly base or just for selected tournaments, eg for all 500, Masters and GS tournaments
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I think there should be only 4 WCs a year - 1 at each of the Grand Slams. Number of players are the greatest, so it dilutes the effect of players being edged out.

and the WC should be done using a "US Open series" format. Whichever player gains the most points over the CHALLENGER SERIES preceeding that GS gets the WC

Obviously this is harder for the AO and Wimbledon which only have like 2-3 weeks preceeding the grand slam, but this makes more sense to me.
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So you would give direct entry to a challenger player with a WC for grandslams? I don't mind that idea. The problem is, alot of players in challengers can make the GS main draw.
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But wouldn't it be probable that a player who came top in a Challenger Series type-thing would most likely also have gained enough points in that period to move their ranking up to direct entry for the upcoming Slam.
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But wouldn't it be probable that a player who came top in a Challenger Series type-thing would most likely also have gained enough points in that period to move their ranking up to direct entry for the upcoming Slam.
Well Slams do use EL rankings 2 weeks before the start ..... so this definitely works for Wimbledon and Australian Open.

Even for USO/FO, we could use only USTA Challengers/ European Clay challengers, it's not that many tournaments.

Also if that does happen we could just give it to the player with the most points who wouldn't make the MD
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I think there should be only 4 WCs a year - 1 at each of the Grand Slams. Number of players are the greatest, so it dilutes the effect of players being edged out.

and the WC should be done using a "US Open series" format. Whichever player gains the most points over the CHALLENGER SERIES preceeding that GS gets the WC

Obviously this is harder for the AO and Wimbledon which only have like 2-3 weeks preceeding the grand slam, but this makes more sense to me.
I wouldn't mind this idea being put into place either.

I don't know if it would appease those who are dying for WCs to enter the game though. Personally I don't want WCs at all, so only 4 WCs a year sounds like a great compromise to me I prefer this even to the idea that I've been trying to develop. I just know that it will keep coming up every single year regardless and it always seems to be more related to people wanting to play their "home" events. So I think even if there was this sort of US Open series type of lead up WC it wouldn't quiet those "home" event people.
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Well the only thing I can think of for ATP250/500 about home events is to give qualifying wild cards instead (maybe 2 for 16 player QDs? and 4 for 32 player QDs?) , since the pool is so small and I'm sure those who really wanted to play their home events wouldn't mind playing qualifying, they just don't want to be alternates.

Obviously this still has the edging out effect for the other players who would have qualified for the Qualifying draw otherwise, but it's the only reasonable solution for TT I can think of.
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I mean no offense when I say this but fans of the home event WC's are a bit off base. The fact is we don't have enough players from enough countries to matter. Euro players and Brazil players dominate the game. If there is one player from say luxomberg, he probably can qualify for petange anyway. Giving out home WCs to one player every time is kinda odd to me.

Then again the proposed WC system is pretty much making the use of SE pointless.
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I mean no offense when I say this but fans of the home event WC's are a bit off base. The fact is we don't have enough players from enough countries to matter. Euro players and Brazil players dominate the game. If there is one player from say luxomberg, he probably can qualify for petange anyway. Giving out home WCs to one player every time is kinda odd to me.

Then again the proposed WC system is pretty much making the use of SE pointless.
That just occurred to me How about a random drawing for who gets a WC in a certain week?
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I think there should be only 4 WCs a year - 1 at each of the Grand Slams. Number of players are the greatest, so it dilutes the effect of players being edged out.

and the WC should be done using a "US Open series" format. Whichever player gains the most points over the CHALLENGER SERIES preceeding that GS gets the WC

Obviously this is harder for the AO and Wimbledon which only have like 2-3 weeks preceeding the grand slam, but this makes more sense to me.
I like this idea

"Home" can be a factor, but not the only...for example, I´m portuguese, so I only have Estoril Open...
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I like this idea

"Home" can be a factor, but not the only...for example, I´m portuguese, so I only have Estoril Open...
No home factor, for example Americans will have a lot of WC, but what about Brazil, only 1 tournament and a lot of players, what about countries like Bulgaria, Lithuania and etc.
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