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Old 09-22-2012, 06:27 PM   #31
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Seppi had his results for the very fact that he is passive and very 'tidy/neat' in his game style which is poison for players like Verdasco and Paire. As for the two sets against Djokovic, I think everyone in here agrees on the fact that DJ never looked in trouble and went down mainly beacuse he was missing a lot of shots. Other slams he went out R1 to Gasquet in four sets, R1 Istomin 5 sets (he could have won) and R1 to Robredo in straights sets (...). Not so much impressive if u ask me.

As for Monfils we are saying the same thing, he should have ballbashed since he was quite tired. otherwise running 10km in every point doesn't help at all.
Seppi is solid and not spectacular made the most of his abilities that's all anyone can ask of a player. Verdasco, Mathieu those guys have very good records against him, don't be FiloV do some research. Monfils was 4-0 before today, those guys can hit through him and his 2nd serve is the big weakness.

His Slam results have no relevance to his match. Unseeded at AO, so how many were beating Djokovic on clay this year not many players. He has never done well at the US Open and never will. Won a total of 3 matches there since 2004.

You must not have watched him at all this season, if you haven't see the improvements. He actually goes for it on the forehand side when he creates the chances, constructs points well since he doesn't have a big weapon he has to play like this.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:27 PM   #32
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lol it was you who first mentioned his slam result this year. I've seen basically almost all of Seppi's televised matches this year and many in the past years. Even a blind man would notice the improvements he as made on service and in the game overall. You are stating the obvious. If you consider him an attacking player, well good for you. My impression is that he's still a very passive player, one of the most defensive players in the top 100.
I've no idea what Verdasco and Mathieu have to do with each other since they are totally different and Seppi hasn't met Mathieu in three years.
The h2h Seppi-Verdasco is something like 7-2 for the spaniard and again you are stating what everyone knows. I don't see how it mattered since I only mentioned their RG match which took place three years later their previous match.

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lol it was you who first mentioned his slam result this year. I've seen basically almost all of Seppi's televised matches this year and many in the past years. Even a blind man would notice the improvements he as made on service and in the game overall. You are stating the obvious. If you consider him an attacking player, well good for you. My impression is that he's still a very passive player, one of the most defensive players in the top 100.
I've no idea what Verdasco and Mathieu have to do with each other since they are totally different and Seppi hasn't met Mathieu in three years.
The h2h Seppi-Verdasco is something like 7-2 for the spaniard and again you are stating what everyone knows. I don't see how it mattered since I only mentioned their RG match which took place three years later their previous match.
He didn't said he was an attacking player, neither did I. Having good defensive abilities and being a good counterpuncher when rushed are not the same as simply being passive or plainly defensive. Like stated previously, he's patient at constructing the points but choses well when to flat (even more) his shots and hits quite a few winners per match. Far from being a pure baseline grinder or along those lines.
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He didn't said he was an attacking player, neither did I. Having good defensive abilities and being a good counterpuncher when rushed are not the same as simply being passive or plainly defensive. Like stated previously, he's patient at constructing the points but choses well when to flat (even more) his shots and hits quite a few winners per match. Far from being a pure baseline grinder or along those lines.
would you give 2 or 3 names in the top50 that are more passive than Seppi? except for Simon and Ramos
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would you give 2 or 3 names in the top50 that are more passive than Seppi? except for Simon and Ramos
Haa, first it was in the top 100 now you change it to top 50 Granollers, Soeda, Nieminen, F. Mayer was getting outhit by him too despite his unorthodox game. And those in terms of pace but could mention many, many more that I don't see them hitting through Andreas.
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Is Go Soeda in the top 50?

What a joke tennis has become.
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Haa, first it was in the top 100 now you change it to top 50 Granollers, Soeda, Nieminen, F. Mayer was getting outhit by him too despite his unorthodox game. And those in terms of pace but could mention many, many more that I don't see them hitting through Andreas.
who talked about hitting through Seppi, I just wanted to know who do you think is more passive than Seppi. you came up wih 3 names in the top50 which isn't that much if we think about it.
I even have doubts on them. I don't think, for instance, than Granollers is more passive then Seppi.
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motorhead, what's wrong with being passive and defensive? You make it sound like it's a bad thing?
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Is Go Soeda in the top 50?

What a joke tennis has become.
Soeda should be named the challengers vulture. guy could barely pass R1 in Wimby against a pathetic Kunytsin. his only relevant decent win at tour level this year being against a semi-injuried Wawrinka in Chennai.

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Haa, first it was in the top 100 now you change it to top 50 Granollers, Soeda, Nieminen, F. Mayer was getting outhit by him too despite his unorthodox game. And those in terms of pace but could mention many, many more that I don't see them hitting through Andreas.
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Well his serve gets attacked a lot and his loopy forehand is sometimes an invitation for big hitters to put him in full defensive mode, but of course it's debatable since he can fire specially on the backhand side. Seppi's pace is higher in my opinion and Jarkko is more prone to be in a position where he's retrieving shots from way back (Granollers case too).

Motor I think you're mixing some terms up in: groundstroke power and passiveness. They can go hand by hand in a lot of cases but being passive is like an approach and more 'strategic' to put it in a way and that's the main reason why I don't consider Seppi as a passive player. It's obvious to say that he doesn't have the raw power of a ballbasher or someone that can hit winners from everywhere of course. Well, I already described his game too many times in this thread already so no need to do it again!
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motorhead, what's wrong with being passive and defensive? You make it sound like it's a bad thing?
nothin wrong with it. it's just that one can fall asleep watching some players.
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Well his serve gets attacked a lot and his loopy forehand is sometimes an invitation for big hitters to put him in full defensive mode, but of course it's debatable since he can fire specially on the backhand side. Seppi's pace is higher in my opinion and Jarkko is more prone to be in a position where he's retrieving shots from way back (Granollers case too).

Motor I think you're mixing some terms up in: groundstroke power and passiveness. They can go hand by hand in a lot of cases but being passive is like an approach and more 'strategic' to put it in a way and that's the main reason why I don't consider Seppi as a passive player. It's obvious to say that he doesn't have the raw power of a ballbasher or someone that can hit winners from everywhere of course. Well, I already described his game too many times in this thread already so no need to do it again!
I don't understand what Nieminen's serve speed has to do with his style of play which is by far much more attacking than Seppi's style.
We are not talking about power, we are talking about their style. In this case Nieminen is the attacking player not Seppi. And I don't even think Nieminen has a passive game.

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Well his serve gets attacked a lot and his loopy forehand is sometimes an invitation for big hitters to put him in full defensive mode, but of course it's debatable since he can fire specially on the backhand side. Seppi's pace is higher in my opinion and Jarkko is more prone to be in a position where he's retrieving shots from way back (Granollers case too).

Motor I think you're mixing some terms up in: groundstroke power and passiveness. They can go hand by hand in a lot of cases but being passive is like an approach and more 'strategic' to put it in a way and that's the main reason why I don't consider Seppi as a passive player. It's obvious to say that he doesn't have the raw power of a ballbasher or someone that can hit winners from everywhere of course. Well, I already described his game too many times in this thread already so no need to do it again!
I can presume a few meaning for word "outhit", but in no of them Seppi can do (whatever you mean here) it against Nieminen. I can`t remember any of their matches, but watching their game for years. I decided to look at their H2H and - wow - it`s 3-0 in Jarkko`s favour, 6-0 in sets. It became for me even more intresting, because sometimes it happens - general assumptions can be wrong and have nothing with results, but it isn`t this case either.

That`s why I just can`t imagine why you added Shark to your list. I didn`t want to write that much, probably isn`t worth doing, but just was very surprised to see Nieminen in such list with Granollers and Soeda.
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