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Old 09-19-2012, 06:13 PM   #16
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I have a big problem with the word "talent" comparing to many people : the natural gifts are not only about the "touch/instinct/vision", they are also about the physical abilities, also about the mental ones by the way.

I don't think any of the players, even working very hard, could have the physical abilities which Nadal has.

You need Nadal's genes to be able to reach that level of physicality : why can't anybody play with the same style as him ? You can see players hitting shots like Federer (see Dimitrov), but noone like Nadal ! I saw pictures of him as a young boy : he already looked very strong and dynamic.

I don't believe that all this mainly comes from "hard work" : the guy says he couldn't practice in december and you saw how he played in the Australian Open ! before Monte-Carlo the same ... The guy eats Nutella chocolate every night before going to bed, we've seen him eat icecreams numerous times. When Djokovic makes unbelievably drastic diets !

No I deny all this is just mainly a matter of "hard work" and not mainly of talent.

He had special genes.

That said, it was also Borg's case, who had an exceptional body.

As for the touch/instinct/vision, I don't know what in that is related to technique and what is related to pure "talent".

I believe more in physical gifts than in "technical" "talent".
One of the better posts I've read on this forum in a while.
Nadal has the "talent" having a great body, without doing a lot for it (uncle Toni often says Nadal has never really been fitnessing a lot). Another "talent of him is how relentless he is and how can stay focused for 5 hours without a single blip in concentration. Those other talents than being able to hit the perfect BH or FH or serve, but they are equally useful in becoming a pro tennis player.
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Old 09-19-2012, 06:19 PM   #17
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Another "talent of him is how relentless he is and how can stay focused for 5 hours without a single blip in concentration.
About his mental, we know from his biography especially that he had a very special training, even a very special "education" by his uncle, comparing to other players, which conditioned him a lot.

His uncle sending him balls in the face when he looked elsewhere, etc ...

And his uncle said that he could not have done that education if he hadn't been his family.

Nadal's parents let Toni do that because he was their family.

That said, Nadal surely had special "talents" for that as well.
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Besides why can't anybody play with the same style as him ? You can see players hitting shots like Federer (see Dimitrov), but noone like Nadal ! McEnroe's basic shots were like nobody else, for Nadal it's the same, but Fed hits some shots very nicely but it's "normal" shots, it's very prettily excluded but classical.
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"There may not be many tournaments left in the legs of Roger Federer, and Novak Djokovic has proven he can be beaten, so Nadal knows that he will have an easier time getting the Grand Slam wins now than at any other point in his career."

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"There may not be many tournaments left in the legs of Roger Federer, and Rafael Nadal seems to be suffering from injuries more than ever, so Djokovic knows that he will have an easier time getting the Grand Slam wins now than at any other point in his career."

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"Rafael Nadal seems to be suffering from injuries more than ever, and Novak Djokovic has proven he can be beaten, so Federer knows that he will have an easier time getting the Grand Slam wins now than at any other point in his career."

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About his mental, we know from his biography especially that he had a very special training, even a very special "education" by his uncle, comparing to other players, which conditioned him a lot.

His uncle sending him balls in the face when he looked elsewhere, etc ...

And his uncle said that he could not have done that education if he hadn't been his family.

Nadal's parents let Toni do that because he was their family.

That said, Nadal surely had special "talents" for that as well.
I've read that too, but you can't just "create" a players mentality like that. His exceptional mentality is of course trained by uncle Toni, but you also got to have it in you. If Nadal wasn't exceptionally gifted in the mental area and in terms of fighting spirit, he would have just said to uncle "fuck this man, I am gonna play some playstation" but he didn't: he accepted these trainings and let uncle Toni made him even tougher than he is. What I want to say is: he has always been a terrific fighter and willing to sacrifice everything for his tennis.
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Cilic serves like no one else, but I don't think that will get him 17 slams
Bad comparison, Nadals shots are effective and I am sure other players would love to be able to hit like him. Not sure about Cilic' serve...
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I saw some article which claimed Federer had the best single handed backhand off all time
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I have a big problem with the word "talent" comparing to many people : the natural gifts are not only about the "touch/instinct/vision", they are also about the physical abilities, also about the mental ones by the way.

I don't think any of the players, even working very hard, could have the physical abilities which Nadal has.

You need Nadal's genes to be able to reach that level of physicality. I saw pictures of Nadal's as a young boy : he already looked very strong and dynamic.

Besides why can't anybody play with the same style as him ? You can see players hitting shots like Federer (see Dimitrov), but noone like Nadal ! McEnroe's basic shots were like nobody else, for Nadal it's the same, but Fed hits some shots very nicely but it's "normal" shots, it's very prettily excluded but classical. I remember Castafiore told me that Toni had said that he had not taught his shots to Nadal : he instinctively played this way.

I don't believe that all this mainly comes from "hard work" : the guy says he couldn't practice in december and you saw how he played in the Australian Open ! before Monte-Carlo the same ... The guy eats Nutella chocolate every night before going to bed, we've seen him eat icecreams numerous times. When Djokovic makes unbelievably drastic diets !

No I deny all this is just mainly a matter of "hard work" and not mainly of talent.

He had special genes, special many things including energy, strength, dynamism, instinct, coordination ...

That said physically he's someone special, but he's not the first one like that : Borg also had an exceptional body, maybe even more than Nadal.

As for the "touch" in tennis, I don't know what in that is related to technique and what is related to pure "talent".

I believe more in physical gifts than in "technical" "talent".
I understood. Well, I have more "classik" position I guess. If I had tried to find close word to what I mean in "talent" speaking about tennis, I would chose "shotmaking". The more possible shots from different positions (differents surfaces-bounce-position on court) you can create, the more talented player you are. Easier - the more different things you can do on court, if you can regularly win points in different ways, the more talented you are (I mean for me ).

Nothing wrong with Nadal, he is talented tennis player. But no, not in the same league with Federer.
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I have a big problem with the word "talent" comparing to many people : the natural gifts are not only about the "touch/instinct/vision", they are also about the physical abilities, also about the mental ones by the way.

I don't think any of the players, even working very hard, could have the physical abilities which Nadal has.

You need Nadal's genes to be able to reach that level of physicality. I saw pictures of Nadal's as a young boy : he already looked very strong and dynamic.

Besides why can't anybody play with the same style as him ? You can see players hitting shots like Federer (see Dimitrov), but noone like Nadal ! McEnroe's basic shots were like nobody else, for Nadal it's the same, but Fed hits some shots very nicely but it's "normal" shots, it's very prettily excluded but classical. I remember Castafiore told me that Toni had said that he had not taught his shots to Nadal : he instinctively played this way.

I don't believe that all this mainly comes from "hard work" : the guy says he couldn't practice in december and you saw how he played in the Australian Open ! before Monte-Carlo the same ... The guy eats Nutella chocolate every night before going to bed, we've seen him eat icecreams numerous times. When Djokovic makes unbelievably drastic diets !

No I deny all this is just mainly a matter of "hard work" and not mainly of talent.

He had special genes, special many things including energy, strength, dynamism, instinct, coordination ...

That said physically he's someone special, but he's not the first one like that : Borg also had an exceptional body, maybe even more than Nadal.

As for the "touch" in tennis, I don't know what in that is related to technique and what is related to pure "talent".

I believe more in physical gifts than in "technical" "talent".
No one has ever deny Nadal's gift in physical abilities. He's a freak of nature. But, that is NOT tennis talent. That's athletic/sports talent. Nadal would be great in almost every sport that promote speed & power. In terms of tennis talent though, a guy like Fed is way, way more talented than him.

You gotta understand, that from a technical point of view, what Fed is able to do on court is simply ridiculous. The balance, timing and precision are impeccable. And please don't mention Dimitrov. That kid is all style with little substance. You know why he can't play as effectively as Fed? Because his balance, timing and precision are nowhere near Fed's level. Not to mention the difference in instinct (Well, that's not exactly technical but mental ). Dimitrov will never be as good as Fed. So, no one plays like Fed also.

Talent is the ability to do something that most find hard, more easily and do it better. There's a talent for "touch", too.
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Its true, every one knows clay is the most relevant surface in tennis, why even try to deny this?

One RG is worth at least 5 wimbledons. Nadal knew this and tanked his game to Rosol to get some early holiday instead of wasting his time on that mug grass surface.
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Its true, every one knows clay is the most relevant surface in tennis, why even try to deny this?

One RG is worth at least 5 wimbledons. Nadal knew this and tanked his game to Rosol to get some early holiday instead of wasting his time on that mug grass surface.
agreed. One Roland Garros is worth 5 Wimbledons. Which is why Guga is a superior player to Federer as well as Nadal.
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