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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Davis Cup?

Spain 7 16.28%
USA 3 6.98%
Argentina 11 25.58%
France 5 11.63%
Czech Republic 1 2.33%
Serbia 6 13.95%
Germany 0 0%
Switzerland 6 13.95%
Canada 2 4.65%
Others 2 4.65%
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:37 AM   #76
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If Nadal plays, nobody can beat Spain

The guy just doesn't lose on clay in Spain in DC
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Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.
If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:53 AM   #77
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I see Canada in with a shot against Spain. I'm pretty sure Nadal won't show, and it's not unrealistic that Ferrer wouldn't either. If that were to happen I'd almost see us as favorites, even with Ferrer we're in with a shot. I'm looking foirward to the watching
even without Nadal and Ferrer you wouldn't be favourites as everything depends on Raonic+the double. Pospisil against other Spaniards has very little chance.

And Raonic wouldn't be that much favourite against Almagro.

It's a too small margin to be favourites.

But you have a chance, yes, even with Nadal and Ferrer by the way, Raonic can defeat them on a fast hardcourt.
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even without Nadal and Ferrer you wouldn't be favourites as everything depends on Raonic+the double. Pospisil against other Spaniards has very little chance.

And Raonic wouldn't be that much favourite against Almagro.

It's a too small margin to be favourites.

But you have a chance, yes, even with Nadal and Ferrer by the way, Raonic can defeat them on a fast hardcourt.
H2H with Ferrer: 0-4
H2H with Nadal: 0-2

Still remains to be seen
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If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.
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H2H with Ferrer: 0-4
H2H with Nadal: 0-2

Still remains to be seen
he beat Murray though




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oh wait, that was on clay
Raonic is a mug on fast hardcourt when he faces a decent player. He just doesn't have time to set up his shots, think he's more of a threat on mediumish hardcourts like AO. Still not much of a threat though
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Raonic is a mug on fast hardcourt when he faces a decent player. He just doesn't have time to set up his shots, think he's more of a threat on mediumish hardcourts like AO. Still not much of a threat though
The sheer tennis stupidity of the Nadaltards' posts really take me by surprise sometimes.
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On current form, Berdych > Federer

I know that as far as overall achievements go Federer slightly edges it as your post shows, but that's because he was lucky to peak in the weakest era ever where he only had to face mugs and clowns. Tomas, on the other hand, has peaked in the strongest era ever, with such titans as Gulbis, Darcis and Robert, among others

Berdych > Federer
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Spain or Serbia maybe
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Pretty good draw for Argentina, great possibility of playing all four ties at home. I think they can win it all if they're able to count on a fit Del Potro for all those ties (big if).
Well, they need 3rd win, too. They don't have an unbeatable doubles team, and Monaco must not choke like he did against Berdy.
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even without Nadal and Ferrer you wouldn't be favourites as everything depends on Raonic+the double. Pospisil against other Spaniards has very little chance.

And Raonic wouldn't be that much favourite against Almagro.

It's a too small margin to be favourites.

But you have a chance, yes, even with Nadal and Ferrer by the way, Raonic can defeat them on a fast hardcourt.
That's why I said almost

I think Vasek could beat one of the Spanish players though, he beat Chela last year in Montreal, beat Seppi in Toronto this year, he plays way better when he's at home, sur he wouldn't be favorited to win one but it's not so lopsided that you chalk up 2 points for the Spainards before the tie starts, I'd say he's got about a 35% chance to win one if them if it were say Almagro and Lopez or Verdasco. He did take Lopez to a very close 4 setter a year ago at the US Open.

It'll be a lot closer than most expect I think, I definitely can see Canada winning if Nadal doesn't show
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If 1 of Nadal and Ferrer plays then I hope they play Dancevic in the first rubber against their #1 and save Vasek for the doubles and their #2 where he'd have more of a chance
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H2H with Ferrer: 0-4
H2H with Nadal: 0-2

Still remains to be seen
On fast hard court:

H2H with Ferrer : 0-0
H2H with Nadal : 0-0

Its too bad fast hard courts don't exist anymore

But I believe most if not all of those matches were a little while ago, he played Nadal in 2010 Tokyo when he was just inside the top 200, and in Tokyo 2011 when returning from injury. His matches against Ferrer were mostly wary 2011, and maybe once this year in Barcelona? I think, he's a better player now, not that he's better then Ferrer no, but he'll have a better shot than he did in those 4 matches so that doesn't mean much.

But this discussion is moot if Nadal and Ferrer doesn't play, I don't think Nadal will with his injury an te lo travel to Canada, Ferrer might not either, but I'm expecting that he will
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