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Old 09-14-2012, 01:45 AM   #61
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Religion is dangerous. Glad I don't believe in some mysterious man in the clouds. Despite all the advances science has made people still believe in fairy tales
What have advances in science got to do with religion?

In fact I don't know what religion has to do with this topic at all.


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What have advances in science got to do with religion?

In fact I don't know what religion has to do with this topic at all.



Better for the European economy.


We were not created by some higher power. Science has already shown that. Religious texts have not changed in a thousand years. Science just keeps on advancing. Religion will hopefully die out but I doubt it. People are religious due to fear and a sense of self importance.
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We were not created by some higher power. Science has already shown that. Religious texts have not changed in a thousand years. Science just keeps on advancing. Religion will hopefully die out but I doubt it. People are religious due to fear and a sense of self importance.
This is nothing but a collection of subjective conclusions and personal opinions.

Again, what has religion got to do with this topic?
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This is nothing but a collection of subjective conclusions and personal opinions.

Again, what has religion got to do with this topic?


Subjective . Science deals in facts not fiction. The uprisings are due to religion so pointing out the dangers of religion of all kinds not that Islam. Religious texts don't hold up. The earth is more than a few thousand years old. It's good business the religion business that is for sure. Religion does a good job of making money and controlling people.
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You think religious texts told them to attack and kill the US ambassador?

Science deals with facts in this life, not the next. I understand if you're an atheist you believe this is the ONLY life we have, and I respect that. But to claim advances in science condemn all religious beliefs obsolete demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the concept of religious belief. Your statements effectively imply you have an intolerance towards faith which has been the root of many oppressive 20th century political policies, most notably in dictatorial regimes.
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You think religious texts told them to attack and kill the US ambassador?

Science deals with facts in this life, not the next. I understand if you're an atheist you believe this is the ONLY life we have, and I respect that. But to claim advances in science condemn all religious beliefs obsolete demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the concept of religious belief. Your statements effectively imply you have an intolerance towards faith which has been the root of many oppressive 20th century political policies, most notably in dictatorial regimes.

Next life? There is no such thing. I used to go church . You only live once. God is a man made invention. God did not create us rather we created him. You will find that the cruelest people on earth are those that actually believe in god. Thousands of people have killed in the name of god. Face it religion is dangerous. Most people are increasingly seeing sense and abandoning the invisible man who does not exist.
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So you admit you don't tolerate religious belief? Would you suggest a ban?
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Again, what has religion got to do with this topic?
I think it has everything to do with religion. It is Muslims demanding that the modern West respect their ancient fundamental beliefs. I just saw that the Muslim Brotherhood has put out a statement that these attacks on the West will continue until the West complies with their demands of not insulting their religion, as dictated by them.

That is just not going to happen. It would be a sad day for Western civilization if it did.
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So you admit you don't tolerate religious belief? Would you suggest a ban?

I dislike religion but I tolerate it. I don't go around beating people up like some religious people do. Some of the guys in religious texts would be classified as war criminals today. The sheer brutality of some things in religious texts beggar belief.
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So you admit you don't tolerate religious belief? Would you suggest a ban?
A ban on forcing it on others. Absolutely.

Actually I guess that we already have that in the West. But the Muslim Brotherhood is demanding the West changes its ideology. No way! They can run around the streets of Cairo destroying stuff for 1000 years. We still won't listen.
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I think it has everything to do with religion. It is Muslims demanding that the modern West respect their ancient fundamental beliefs. I just saw that the Muslim Brotherhood has put out a statement that these attacks on the West will continue until the West complies with their demands of not insulting their religion, as dictated by them.

That is just not going to happen. It would be a sad day for Western civilization if it did.
Islam is the excuse for violence, not the cause. The Muslim Brotherhood does not speak for Islam any more than Obama speaks for the West.


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I dislike religion but I tolerate it. I don't go around beating people up like some religious people do. Some of the guys in religious texts would be classified as war criminals today. The sheer brutality of some things in religious texts beggars belief.
You can't claim you tolerate it and then talk about the "sheer brutality" of religious texts. If you really believe religion tolerates violence and you tolerate religion then implicitly you tolerate violence.

Either you're a hypocrite, or you don't tolerate religion, or you don't really believe religion causes violence.
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I just saw that the Muslim Brotherhood has put out a statement that these attacks on the West will continue until the West complies with their demands of not insulting their religion, as dictated by them.

That is just not going to happen. It would be a sad day for Western civilization if it did.
Did they really?

I saw the speech of Mursi when he met van Rompuy today and in that Mursi clearly condemned the attacks.
If the Muslim Brotherhod calls for peacefull protests against a film they find terrible and provoking, the freedom of speech the filmmakers claim for themselves should also be valid for muslims.

I really condemn these attack too and there is no way ever that they could be justified. There are explanations why there is so much brutality, but for sure none of them can ever explain why innocent people are being killed because of a film.

One problem which I see though, is that by focussing very much on the freedom of speech people in the arab world who suffered for years under supression see a lot of hypocrisy in that argument.
Nobody gave a damn about the freedom of speech for the individual in Mubarak´s Egypt - and by that I mean politicians but also the media and tourists who visited the country.
On the other hand a policy of boycott, such as against the apartheid regime in South Africa, shows that indeed there were possibilities to react differently.

Still this gives only an explanation for anger and hatred but killing someone because of a film really is never tolerable.
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