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Old 09-13-2012, 07:21 PM   #31
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the thing is, several western nations have their own prohibitions against free speech. yet, when Muslims do it it's because they're primitive, parochial and medieval. when white westerners do it, it's because of different circumnstances, context and it's therefore an appropriate measure.

double standards are rampant in the west.
So you think the US is a beacon of tolerance then?
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:26 PM   #32
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2- according to some analysts, the real motive of the violence lies in the american interference in the Middle East, with the film simply being a catalyst for it.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...9_story_2.html
Are you calling America's hunting down and killing Al Qaeda leaders ''interference?" The quote you give proposes the attack was revenge for killing an Al Qaeda member. In that case long may the interference continue.

Too bad you didn't have the guts or honesty to quote just one more sentence in your quote. The one about these acts being committed by ''uncontrollable jihadist groups.'' So stupid videos, killing Al Qaeda militants etc. does not matter, these people are out of control in their desire to kill. That was the main point of the article.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:29 PM   #33
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when i visit germany, i'll crack a few jokes about the holocaust. i'll see how open minded and modern they are...
First of all, as far as I know, Germany forbids holocaust denial, not cracking jokes about it. Black humor regarding the holocaust isn't exactly unheard of.

Moreover, any legal steps would be taken against YOU PERSONALLY (and only while you're on Germany soil) maybe they'll be prosecuted, but I promise you that your country's embassy (and ambassador) would be perfectly safe. That movie was independently made.

Plus, you know what hateful programs are broadcasted *these days* in Egypt about Israel? Showing Jews drinking blood from children (the old blood libels). Somehow, the Egyptian embassy in Israel is still standing.
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First of all, as far as I know, Germany forbids holocaust denial, not cracking jokes about it. Black humor regarding the holocaust isn't exactly unheard of.

Moreover, any legal steps would be taken against YOU PERSONALLY (and only while you're on Germany soil) maybe they'll be prosecuted, but I promise you that your country's embassy (and ambassador) would be perfectly safe. That movie was independently made.

Plus, you know what hateful programs are broadcasted *these days* in Egypt about Israel? Showing Jews drinking blood from children (the old blood libels). Somehow, the Egyptian embassy in Israel is still standing.
abraxas would not understand that kind of reasoned statement. He obviously thinks mobs of Germans would attack the Chilean embassy.

I just saw a well dressed educated Egyptian on the streets of Cairo saying that he will not stop protesting until Obama comes out and apologises for the movie, which must be burned. I said educated, but it seems he does not understand too much about the digital age when he wants to burn the film!
But his equating Obama with responsibility for the stupid video just illustrates how little they know of its origin.
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First of all, as far as I know, Germany forbids holocaust denial, not cracking jokes about it. Black humor regarding the holocaust isn't exactly unheard of.
it obviously depends on the joke considering that expressing neo nazi beliefs and/or showing signs related to nazism is strictly forbidden there. it's not just about denying the holocaust.

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Moreover, any legal steps would be taken against YOU PERSONALLY (and only while you're on Germany soil) maybe they'll be prosecuted, but I promise you that your country's embassy (and ambassador) would be perfectly safe. That movie was independently made.
true enough.

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Plus, you know what hateful programs are broadcasted *these days* in Egypt about Israel? Showing Jews drinking blood from children (the old blood libels). Somehow, the Egyptian embassy in Israel is still standing.
no worries, we know israel has its own "democratic" methods. we're lucky to have them as the beacon of hope in the middle east.
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about the movie in question

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Cindy Lee Garcia, of Bakersfield, California, who appears briefly in clips of the film posted online, said she answered a casting call last year to appear in a movie titled "Desert Warrior." "It looks so unreal to me, it's like nothing that we even filmed was there. There was all this weird stuff there," Garcia told Reuters in a phone interview. Garcia said the film was shot in the summer of 2011 inside a church near Los Angeles, with actors standing in front of a "green screen," used to depict background images. About 50 actors were involved, she said.

A source close to the cast and crew of the film told NBC News that “Bacile” misled the actors and production crew. "The entire crew and cast are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer," the source said. "We are 100 percent not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."
classy film makers.
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classy film makers.
That is irrelevant. If you work for the government how come you can post from 9-5 on weekdays? Aren't you cheating the taxpayers?
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Are you calling America's hunting down and killing Al Qaeda leaders ''interference?" The quote you give proposes the attack was revenge for killing an Al Qaeda member. In that case long may the interference continue.
we all know america's war against terrorism is a joke
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we all know america's war against terrorism is a joke
The royal ''we'' is the real joke here.

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That is irrelevant. If you work for the government how come you can post from 9-5 on weekdays? Aren't you cheating the taxpayers?
hahah im just fitting the stereotype.

i shouldn't even respond to this obvious bating attack, though.
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America did a Good thing by doing that War on Terror. I Honestly wished My Countrys Leaders had the balls to do the same thing. But they have to work for Muslims Appeasement. That is Indian Congress for you.
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hahah im just fitting the stereotype.
You are pretty good at it.
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it obviously depends on the joke considering that expressing neo nazi beliefs and/or showing signs related to nazism is strictly forbidden there. it's not just about denying the holocaust.
Are you familiar with the NPD?
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America did a Good thing by doing that War on Terror. I Honestly wished My Countrys Leaders had the balls to do the same thing. But they have to work for Muslims Appeasement. That is Indian Congress for you.
Are you referring to the shameful appeasement of the terrorists in Kashmir?
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Are you referring to the shameful appeasement of the terrorists in Kashmir?

Yes that is one part of it. And a Major Part. Muslims occupy around 15 20 % of the Indian Population and they have an alarmingly high Fertility Rate. So they are a Major Force in the Indian Electorate. So what happens is that the While the Rogue Nation of Pakistan keeps creating Nuisance in India the Government chooses to keep Mum about it because they think it might upset the Muslims.

A Major Part of Kashmir is under Pakistan and that too Illegally.. Morons cant keep their own House in Order but they want more and more land.

Indian Polity here is too fractured and divided to take a Strong decisions on these things.
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