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Old 09-04-2012, 08:22 PM   #46
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Default Re: Why is berdych so tough for federer?

11-4 H2H? Doesn't seem very tough to me. Fed fans struggle with comprehending numbers so I understand the confusion.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:29 PM   #47
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those guys are difficult to handle if they are "on fire". it's not only fed who has problems against them if they play superb. tsonga annihilated nadal at the ao 2008, del potro bitchslapped him at the uso 2009. djoker lost to tsonga ao 2010 and should have lost at rg this year too... those guys are real threats for the big3 if they can get there shit together...
but topspindoctor says great players are only great players if they are able to handle opponents when they are on fire, no?

Like how Nadal did against Rosol?
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:31 PM   #48
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11-4 H2H? Doesn't seem very tough to me. Fed fans struggle with comprehending numbers so I understand the confusion.
Put it into context. Last time I checked, out of the last 6 matches, Berdych won 2-3, including a victory at Wimbledon. Also, Federer's victories over Berdych are generally always hard-fought.

Comprehending numbers aren't a problem. 17 slams > 5 slams, 294+ total weeks > 53 total weeks, 237 consecutive weeks > 53 consecutive weeks, 21 Masters Series titles > 12 Masters Series titles. Just a select few of many.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:43 PM   #49
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Whenever Berdych spots Roger on his side of the draw he plays his heart out to get at him. If he were on either Nole's or Murray's quarter he'd have lost to some mug player by now. He loves being able to blow Federer off the court.
Actually what's funny is that I can remember the exact moment when Berdych found his form this summer.

We were commenting the draw of the US Open live on this site and someone said "don't worry about Berdych, he's two breaks down against Darcis in Winston Salem" (Darcis who had defeated him in 2 sets in the Olympics)

But right then, having drawn Federer, Berdych broke back, still lost the first set 6-4 but won next two sets 6-1 6-2.

Then he played another great match against Querrey and played very well against Isner, losing because he choked a little bit.

And then the US Open : never had reached quarterfinal here, no problem he reached the quarter with only one set lost and in a very convincing way
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Berdych won their last slam encounter plus upset Fed in Athens so obviously he wins the biggest matches in this h2h. He doesn't really care about the BO3 losses. It's all about the big matches for him as everyone will see tomorrow.
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And yes it's odd that Berdych has more confidence vs Federer these days than vs Nadal. Berdych's game is almost perfect to beat Nadal. He likes hitting up high and is one of the best guys on the tour at punishing high bouncing balls or weak second serves with both his forehand and backhand.
I can remember their early matches, he really was comfortable against Nadal.

And what has mostly changed in Nadal's game since then is ... the depth of his shots.

I've already said that but I disagree with the "one definition" of "big hitters" for Berdych on one side, Del Potro and Söderling on the other side.

They are very different : Berdych doesn't have Del Po or Söderling's power to hit several deep and powerful shots in a row from the back of the court.

For them power is just natural. Berdych likes to accelerate, on rather short balls, which is very different.

And as I said, Nadal's main improvement comparing to his young time has been imo the depth of his shots, which imo explains that he gives more problems to Berdych.

Moreover, Nadal's serve has improved and actually Berdych really has problems to be effective on return on Nadal's serve.
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berdych is arrogant classless.
This is why he's so tough vs Federer. Any humble, classy individual would lose convincingly.
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He doesn't really care about the BO3 losses. It's all about the big matches for him as everyone will see tomorrow.
yes, Berdych is that good

after playing so many Masters 1000 quarterfinals in a row.

No the explanation is more simple : Berdych has found his form in last Winston Salem "grand slam".

He also had it in Beijing grand slam last year.

Madrid final, Bercy semifinal, Toronto quarterfinal he didn't care contrary to the MM tournaments expert who is Federer.
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Berdych won their last slam encounter plus upset Fed in Athens so obviously he wins the biggest matches in this h2h. He doesn't really care about the BO3 losses. It's all about the big matches for him as everyone will see tomorrow.
Exactly. You're implying that Berdych > Federer in H2H big matches. Does that make Berdych a better player than Federer? Just like Nadal right?

What about Federer and Murray H2H in big matches?
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As many have already said, Federer has had problems with big hitters these past few years because they can overpower him. Berdych fares better than Söderling IMO because:

1. He prefers to hit from lower balls and is better at this than the Swede. Federer's slice isn't as effective
2. Berdych is a better counter-puncher than the Swede and he takes the ball better on the rise. Söderling imposes his power and dictates rallies with his shots, running around his forehand. He doesn't like when the opponent takes the ball on the rise.
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Federer's decline plus Berdych can stand and dictate with effortless power (meaning he doesn't have to move an awful lot
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Exactly. You're implying that Berdych > Federer in H2H big matches. Does that make Berdych a better player than Federer? Just like Nadal right?

What about Federer and Murray H2H in big matches?
Fed has won plenty of 'big' matches against Berdych- 2 times AO, 1 time RG, 1 time Wimbledon, 1 time DC. Berdych won at Wimbledon and Olympics.

So Berdych hasn't won more 'big' matches than Federer.
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I can remember their early matches, he really was comfortable against Nadal.

And what has mostly changed in Nadal's game since then is ... the depth of his shots.

I've already said that but I disagree with the "one definition" of "big hitters" for Berdych on one side, Del Potro and Söderling on the other side.

They are very different : Berdych doesn't have Del Po or Söderling's power to hit several deep and powerful shots in a row from the back of the court.

For them power is just natural. Berdych likes to accelerate, on rather short balls, which is very different.

And as I said, Nadal's main improvement comparing to his young time has been imo the depth of his shots, which imo explains that he gives more problems to Berdych.

Moreover, Nadal's serve has improved and actually Berdych really has problems to be effective on return on Nadal's serve.
Berdych has only ever beaten Nadal once. No more. Therefore he can't ever have been comfortable against him...certainly not as comfortable as he is playing Roger.
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I can remember their early matches, he really was comfortable against Nadal.

And what has mostly changed in Nadal's game since then is ... the slowing down of the courts.

I've already said that but I disagree with the "one definition" of "big hitters" for Berdych on one side, Del Potro and Söderling on the other side.

They are very different : Berdych doesn't have Del Po or Söderling's power to hit several deep and powerful shots in a row from the back of the court.

For them power is just natural. Berdych likes to accelerate, on rather short balls, which is very different.

And as I said, Nadal's main improvement comparing to his young time has been imo the depth of his shots, which imo explains that he gives more problems to Berdych.

Moreover, Nadal's serve has improved and actually Berdych really has problems to be effective on return on Nadal's serve.
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11-4 H2H? Doesn't seem very tough to me. Fed fans struggle with comprehending numbers so I understand the confusion.
This is another evidence that you don't really follow tennis.

Rafa leads H2H with Federer, 18 - 10, and yet Federer is always a tough customer for Rafa.
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