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He will recover and win 2 or more slams 142 58.44%
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:37 AM   #361
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:47 AM   #362
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Don't even know what to say at this point. I hope he comes back eventually.
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Back to the thread topic...if Nadal has to take around six months off without a competitive match under his belt, will he be ready and in prime form to defend his RG title? Will he have any chance of winning AO before? How much match time will he need to be up to scratch once more?

After missing Wimbledon in 2009 he looked off the pace at the US Open, where he was smashed by Del Potro. Then, defending his AO crown, he lost to Ferrer in the quarters - injured again, of course. Do any of his followers realistically think he can be back to his best with just one or two months of competitive tennis after such a long absence this time?
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Back to the thread topic...if Nadal has to take around six months off without a competitive match under his belt, will he be ready and in prime form to defend his RG title? Will he have any chance of winning AO before? How much match time will he need to be up to scratch once more?

After missing Wimbledon in 2009 he looked off the pace at the US Open, where he was smashed by Del Potro. Then, defending his AO crown, he lost to Ferrer in the quarters - injured again, of course. Do any of his followers realistically think he can be back to his best with just one or two months of competitive tennis after such a long absence this time?
the situation is not comparable to 2009, when he came back quite quickly and not fully healthy, this time he will probably have plenty of time to practise and prepare.

When he missed the end of 2005 and the Australian open 2006, he came back very well defeating Fed in Dubai then winning Roland-Garros.

Last year, he said he didn't practise in december and was very near from winning the Australian open.

He started practising the friday before Monte-Carlo and won it.

Before Indian wells quite the same if I remember couldn't practise and played very well.

He has plenty of natural gift, he's more about that than about hard work, and nothing looks impossible for him.

The Australian open is possible, the surface is good for him, but anyway for clay and Roland-Garros, there's nothing to be afraid of imo.
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If for whatever reason, he can't play till after the Australian Open, he probably will fall out of the top 4.
From my calculations will lose around 1800 points, at least. I'm not sure about his Davis cup 150 points and don't understand why he has them listed for Sept 14 2012 as he obviously didn't play (hasn't played Davis Cup at all in 2012), and there is no drop date. Does anyone know about this?

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Date 	        Tournament 	Round 	Points 	Drop Date
14.09.2012 	Davis Cup 	- 	150
In any event, if no return by AO he loses:

0300 - Tokyo
0090 - Shanghai
0200 - London-World Tour Finals
1200 - Australian Open
0045 - Halle-Doha (Doha drops, assume Halle will be countable)
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1835 Total dropped

? Davis Cup 150 Edit: (any points from 2011 DC should drop after 2012 final?)

7385 - Current
-1835 - Dropped:
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5550 After AO (still includes 150 Davis Cup pts)

5400 After AO (Davis Cup pts dropped)

Anyway, I don't think he can drop below 5-8 in the rankings no matter what, mostly on the strength of his clay season 4590 points. In fact, I think he could play only on clay and if he wins most everything, he could comfortably stay in the top 8, maybe even stay at #4 if he includes the South/Central American clay in his schedule.

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If for whatever reason, he can't play till after the Australian Open, he probably will fall out of the top 4.
From my calculations will lose around 1800 points, at least. I'm not sure about his Davis cup 150 points and don't understand why he has them listed for Sept 14 2012 as he obviously didn't play (hasn't played Davis Cup at all in 2012), and there is no drop date. Does anyone know about this?
he will lose the 150 points from DC final on the 3rd of december, 52 weeks after last year's DC final.

I don't think he will drop out of top-4 but of course he will have to be very good in the first half of the year as always and the sooner he comes back the better for the ranking points.

Here's the situation when you take off all points until the end of Miami (I didn't calculate other players like Tipsarevic who should be very near from Tsonga)

Code:
Djoko	6370
Federer	6055
Murray	4850
Nadal	4680
Ferrer	3450
Berdych	2665
Del Po	2460
Tsonga	2055
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he will lose the 150 points from DC final on the 3rd of december, 52 weeks after last year's DC final.

I don't think he will drop out of top-4 but of course he will have to be very good in the first half of the year as always and the sooner he comes back the better for the ranking points.

Here's the situation when you take off all points until the end of Miami (I didn't calculate other players like Tipsarevic who should be very near from Tsonga)

Code:
Djoko	6370
Federer	6055
Murray	4850
Nadal	4680
Ferrer	3450
Berdych	2665
Del Po	2460
Tsonga	2055
Thanks Duong. Ok, as I suspected regarding Davis Cup they will be dropped. I wonder why they don't list a drop date for Davis Cup and the Sept. 2012 date seems misleading, I would have expected a Dec. 2011 date.
So after AO, Nadal would have 5400 points at that point if he hasn't played.

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From a health point of view, AO will be a terrible event to make a comeback.

Hardcourts, terribly slow, neverending points and your knees taking a beating.

I don't think Novak has been the same player after those two back-to-back five setters in Melbourne.

Same for Rafa in 2009, back-to-back five setters and injured at Rotterdam.
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nadal will be back for australian, if he isn't, then he's clearly on the way out of tennis to play poker and golf

hasn't got a chance though; djokovic is gunning for the history books (4 AO titles, 3 consecutive), and murray is gunning for that 2nd slam

old legs will be happy just to reach the quarter final on that slow 'hardcourt'
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in this peculiar case, they might have done it but generally speaking, it's not easy because when a player has got points in several rounds, parts of his points drop at different moments, I think it explains why there's no drop date for DC points.
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Nadal will struggle to make Top4 untill Wimbledon if he drops out. He had a great start to the season this year

Indian Wells/Miami SF
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I think he shouldn't play Barcelona but Acapulco instead

Maybe miss a Masters on slow hard before clay (?)
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Looking forward to another 5-setter, hopefully with Djokovic in the QF this time around .
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Your wish being R4 Soderling, QF Djokovic, SF Murray, W/O for Fed in the final I assume ?
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Your wish being R4 Soderling, QF Djokovic, SF Murray, W/O for Fed in the final I assume ?
He doesn't get past Rosol in R2 .
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