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Old 08-31-2012, 07:41 AM   #46
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If dropping his ranking and thereby meeting the top 4 before the quarters is the danger Tsonga has in mind, then there is really no need to play more 250-tournaments. He has a huge margin as it is, considering that 9-12 goes against 5-8 in the round before the quarters. Thus he has to drop to place 13 to run that risk. At the moment he has more than twice as much points as Almagro on place 12. To make my point even more obvious: Winning all 6 of the 250-tournaments give you no more than 1500 points, and both Monaco at place 11 and Almagro at place 12 is more than 2000 points behind him. He might want to make it to the tour final though, which is a harder goal to achieve. But it is still more than 1500 points that Tipsarevic at number 9 needs to overtake him, which he surely won't get from the 250-tournaments. I think the players are decieving themselves if they think that playing more small tournaments is the way to achieve success. It might be a good idea for a top player to play small events if he is physically fresh and in need of match competition. Not otherwise.

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I know who he should talk to - Ferrer .


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There isn't any difference between being ranked 5 or 8. If Tsonga means that he wants to get into top 4, then he is delusional. Either way, he is in the wrong.
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He won't get into top 4 by winning a bunch of 250s
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Of course everyone is thinking of Ferrer immediately...

So, I don't know... Where's the problem? I mean, I don't see anything unfair there.
If you want to start implying that so-called "vultures" like Ferrer are unfairly ranked higher than you, maybe you would need to be better than them in big events first? Otherwise I see absolutely no reason to complain...
If Ferrer, who is BTW older than Tsonga, can play more tournaments and still do just as well as Tsonga in the bigger tournaments, then he's a better player. The end.
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I had not opened this thread but it's amazing that so many people missed what he meant

Tsonga meant the top-8 seeds and the WTF and he meant especially Tipsarevic (he said his name to the French media), maybe Isner, the guys who are a little bit behind him but not that far in the Race (Tipsarevic is 340 points behind him in the Race, Isner 540, Almagro 460, Monaco 635) and who can win a lot of ATP250 tournaments "where nobody's there" (that's what he said when he spoke about Tipsarevic).

Ferrer is well ahead of him in the Race (1315 points) and is not his concern.

Look at Tipsarevic and in a lesser extent Isner's ranking points and it's clear that they get a lot of points in small tournaments ! Tipsy was esp. successful last year in fall indoor season and this year also was on summer clay, both times "when none of the top-guys was there".

When he says "it's tough because you seldom get reward when you meet the top-guys", he means that even when he or Berdych improves, as they did in last two years, the guys on top still beat them most of the time (Del Potro can also say that although he has more potential than Tsonga and Berdych and was happy enough to win a slam), as it happened for him against Fed in the end of last year, against Djokovic for a few points in Roland-Garros or against Murray in Wimbledon. Ash86 got it, I'm not surprised she's the one

He's not depressed, he just explains why he will play a long indoor season ; as for last week in Winston Salem, the real reason was that he had not been able to play in Toronto (well, a first round against Chardy) and Cincy and he needed a tournament to prepare the US Open.
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Pretty sure being tired and losing 2nd round in the US Open does more to damage your ranking than anything, Tsonga.
What is he tired of ?

not of playing much this summer, he only played the Olympics ! which were a very tiring week, yes.

After that, he got injured and it may have affected his preparation but not playing too much ... contrary to Tipsarevic or Isner or Haas or Monaco or Cilic for instance.
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since this season for top guys - i think top 30 not sure they can count besides slams, Masters and WTF 6 best other tournaments - that means even 6x250 if you don´t do much at 500s
yes that's the rule : since this year, for top-30 guys, as long as they play 4 ATP500 tournaments or Monte-Carlo in the calendar year, they can count 6 ATP250 results if they're better than their ATP500 results, which was impossible last year.

For instance at the moment, Tipsy counts 6 ATP250 results : 4 wins and two finals, 1300 points. It was impossible last year, Tipsy would have 400 less points with last year's rule.
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Thanks.
But when I look at this ranking breakdown, I'm seeing that he has already maximised all his points for the 250s...he won 3 of them. He isn't going to gain any more pints for playing or winning more of them ATM.
2 of them were fall indoor tournaments, that's the point : he will play them again, he thinks he has to play them to ensure his top-8 seed and WTF participation, that's what he means.
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