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Old 08-28-2012, 02:01 AM   #46
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No, no, no...Federer is the supposed "GOAT", of course he *should* still be competitive at 31..especially when Nadal is injured and Djokovic is in a post-slump of his stellar last season.
Not sure if serious or just a Nadal fan.
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On the one hand the h2h irks Fedtards because of their compulsive need for everyone to acknowledge Federer as the GOAT even though Federer has gone on record as not buying into the idea of GOAT or comparing eras.

On the other hand, you have Rafatards pretending that h2h is anything but a footnote in the history books. Santoro 7-2 h2h versus Safin including majors, doesn't make Santoro the player with greater status. That's because Marat has two more majors (2-0) and was no. 1 for the briefest of times. Now we're talking about Federer who has 6 more majors than any current player so, as fuzzy as these comparisons get, do the math.

Conclusion: Noletards seem awesome by comparison.

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Actually, if you look at the H2H objectively, that actually makes Nadal the biggest chump out of all of them. If he has a better H2H than the 3 other best players in the game, therefore he must lose to a heck of a lot of chumps to stay behind Fed, Murry, and Djoker in the rankings and Fed in slams. That is called jumping ahead of yourself before you have the foundation to consistently beat chumps like Rosol and Solderling.

So basically what it means is that if you are beating everyone in the H2h but still trailing in the rankings, that means that you are beating them in some low point or meaningless games. My guess is most of his wins were from meaningless French open warm up tournaments.
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Actually, if you look at the H2H objectively, that actually makes Nadal the biggest chump out of all of them. If he has a better H2H than the 3 other best players in the game, therefore he must lose to a heck of a lot of chumps to stay behind Fed, Murry, and Djoker in the rankings and Fed in slams. That is called jumping ahead of yourself before you have the foundation to consistently beat chumps like Rosol and Solderling.

So basically what it means is that if you are beating everyone in the H2h but still trailing in the rankings, that means that you are beating them in some low point or meaningless games. My guess is most of his wins were from meaningless French open warm up tournaments.
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It's true. If you are winning all your H2H's and somehow you are not #1 or didn't hold it for very long, you are doing it wrong.
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Nadal held #1 spot for 100+ weeks and #2 spot for 160+ weeks. That's not "very long"? For the record the true chump like Mugray never even made a #2 or won a slam and yet you include him in your "arguement"?
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Nadal held #1 spot for 100+ weeks and #2 spot for 160+ weeks. That's not "very long"? For the record the true chump like Mugray never even made a #2 or won a slam and yet you include him in your "arguement"?
That's even worse. Murray with a bad head 2 head against everyone except fed, never made no 2, and never won a slam is still only a 1400 points behind Nadal. That says it all about how important H2H's are. So the Nadal fans must be really pathetic to champion that statistic.
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That's even worse. Murray with a bad head 2 head against everyone except fed, never made no 2, and never won a slam is still only a 1400 points behind Nadal. That says it all about how important H2H's are. So the Nadal fans must be really pathetic to champion that statistic.
Correction, Murray has been ranked #2 however how is it worse? Points from USO 2011 have dropped off:

Nadal has played 11 tournaments this year (+3 tournaments last year he still has points for)
Murray has played in 14 and currently playing his 15th this year (+5 tournaments last year he still has points for)

That Murray has played significanly more tournaments and is still 1400 behind Nadal displays how well Rafa does in tournaments he enters.
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Actually, if you look at the H2H objectively, that actually makes Nadal the biggest chump out of all of them. If he has a better H2H than the 3 other best players in the game, therefore he must lose to a heck of a lot of chumps to stay behind Fed, Murry, and Djoker in the rankings and Fed in slams. That is called jumping ahead of yourself before you have the foundation to consistently beat chumps like Rosol and Solderling.

So basically what it means is that if you are beating everyone in the H2h but still trailing in the rankings, that means that you are beating them in some low point or meaningless games. My guess is most of his wins were from meaningless French open warm up tournaments.
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Nadal - Fed 8-2 in Slams
Rafa - Nole 6-3 in Slams
Rafa - Murray 6-2 in Slams

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I think there has already been a thread about this a month ago. About how Nadal has positive H2H against all his rivals. Well, Nadal fans love to drum up the H2H brouhaha anyway as it's their only leverage in their GOAT agenda.

Nonetheless, it's impressive because it shows Nadal's pure dominance on clay. But he has losing H2H with Federer on grass and hard. He has losing H2H with Djokovic on hard. And with Murray it's 6-5 on hard but tied if you count walkovers. You have to look at it in context, tennis is a surface sport after all.
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No, no, no...Federer is the supposed "GOAT", of course he *should* still be competitive at 31..especially when Nadal is injured and Djokovic is in a post-slump of his stellar last season.
.Federer beat Nadal at Indian Wells just before Nadal went on his usual clay domination.Djokovic played some very solid tennis till the semis of Wimbledon before he was outplayed by Federer and at Cincy,Nole was just tired after a long 3 weeks.Djokovic is still having a fantastic season by any standard and it's far from over.Murray played some fantastic tennis throughout the Grass season,the best I have ever seen from him.Lets appreciate what Federer has achieved at the age of 31 when most of his rivals are in their prime.
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Let's put it in a way that is easier for the nadull tards to understand. If nadull has a good h2h against these players and still can't catch them in the rankings, that means that his losesses are coming from sources that are not so good. The only way these players can stay ahead of him is if they win the important points in important tournaments. Which means Nadal can't keep pace even with a great H2H. That my friends is pathetic not a sign of strength.

Would you rather lose to a top 3 player or Rosol or soderling? I thought so.
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Let's put it in a way that is easier for the nadull tards to understand. If nadull has a good h2h against these players and still can't catch them in the rankings, that means that his losesses are coming from sources that are not so good.

Or maybe it's because he's injured and can't play?
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Let's put it in a way that is easier for the nadull tards to understand. If nadull has a good h2h against these players and still can't catch them in the rankings, that means that his losesses are coming from sources that are not so good. The only way these players can stay ahead of him is if they win the important points in important tournaments. Which means Nadal can't keep pace even with a great H2H. That my friends is pathetic not a sign of strength.

Would you rather lose to a top 3 player or Rosol or soderling? I thought so.
Not a comprehensive list but since 2011 each have lost to (not counting the Top 4):

Federer – Roddick, Berdych, Tsonga, Gasquet, Melzer, Monfils
Nadal – Rosol, Verdasco, Mayer, Fish, Dodig, Tsonga, Ferrer
Djokovic – Tipsarevic x 2, Isner, Del Potro x 2, Tsonga, Ferrer
Murray – Chardy, Gasquet, Berdych x 2, Garcia-Lopez, Ferrer, Young, Bogomolov, Bellucci, Anderson

So, Nadal isn't the only one who loses to nobodies
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Not a comprehensive list but since 2011 each have lost to (not counting the Top 4):

Federer – Roddick, Berdych, Tsonga, Gasquet, Melzer, Monfils
Nadal – Rosol, Verdasco, Mayer, Fish, Dodig, Tsonga, Ferrer
Djokovic – Tipsarevic x 2, Isner, Del Potro x 2, Tsonga, Ferrer
Murray – Chardy, Gasquet, Berdych x 2, Garcia-Lopez, Ferrer, Young, Bogomolov, Bellucci, Anderson

So, Nadal isn't the only one who loses to nobodies


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